Sheepshead Mosque Opponents Launch Daily Protests



by on Jan 31st, 2011

Construction workers on the job at 2812 Voorhies Avenue, January 31.

Opponents of the Islamic Cultural Center under construction at 2812 Voorhies Avenue plan to picket the project on a daily basis, the group Bay People has announced.

Infuriated by city officials’ stonewalling of their requests to challenge approval of the project, Bay People – founded solely to battle the establishment of the cultural center and mosque – is taking matters into their own hands. They announced in an e-mail this morning:

Residents of Sheepshead Bay have no choice but try to ensure complaince with zoning/building laws themselves! Neighbors, residents and our spporters will peacefully picket in front of the construction site at 2812 Voorhies Avenue (on a public sidewalk) every week day from 8AM-4PM until he DOB and NYC will follow their own rules and procedures and enforce the “Stop Work” order as well as force the removal of illegaly constructed structures.

When we stopped by the site at 1:30 p.m. today, no one was picketing at the site, and construction workers continued to excavate the foundation. Calls to Bay People representatives were not answered by the time this article went to web.

Bay People has had victories since the building plans were approved and the Department of Buildings issued permits. Members have been keeping a close eye on the project, with 15 complaints noted on the DOB website since the start of construction. The majority of complaints appear to have come from an engineer or another construction professional, with language noting technical problems and specific code violations not frequently seen in DOB complaints.

The group’s efforts paid off when the mosque was slapped with a Stop Work Order in the beginning of January, after a complaint rolled in about the placement of the excavator. Two weeks later, on January 14, the SWO was partially rescinded, allowing construction to move forward, except for excavation at the site of the proposed elevator pit. Still, records show that Bay People made several complaints about work being done while the SWO was in place (which the DOB found no evidence of).

The group says the DOB is “dragging its feet” in reviewing their complaints. All complaints, though, appear to have been investigated according to the DOB website, and the property owner has received a violation in addition to the SWO as a result of their criticism. The DOB found that work did not adhere entirely to plans in the case of the excavation, and a hearing will be held soon.

Bay People has also issued a challenge to the entire permit, pleading with the agency to revoke approval of the construction. Challenge results are not yet posted online, but members stated at a recent Community Board 15 meeting that there were several errors in their paperwork, such as writing “315″ to indicate the community board (In reality, this is not an error: Community Board 15 is also known as 315, where the “3″ indicates Brooklyn). They also say the property owner has manipulated the floor plan, shrinking the number of people the building will hold and thereby eliminating the requirement for parking.

But the challenge process has been mired by DOB officials, according to the group. And they seem to have found an advocate in Councilman Lew Fidler, who wrote a letter on their behalf to the agency’s Brooklyn commissioner.

Among other things, Fidler wrote that the concerned constituents have said current structural drawings have not been made available to the group, and that office workers have told them the copy machine was broken – an excuse deployed over the course of multiple visits. They also contend that calls to 311 are going unanswered.

Fidler, who has been criticized by Bay People in the past for not joining their fight against the mosque, has previously stated his support for the property owners’ right to build a house of worship. The letter urges the DOB to “evaluate the legalities of [the project] fairly, openly and consistently,” noting that “whatever decisions the agency makes will likely be challenged in Court by the ‘unhappy’ side.”

“Oversights and mistakes can give the impression of impropriety,” Fidler writes. “If this project is to proceed than it should do so by following the established legal procedure, so that an informed public may comment and there can be no doubt regarding the process that was used or the decisions that are reached.”

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  • Anonymous

    Bay People – Leave them the fuck alone. You lost. Use your money and influence to change the zoning laws that allowed this building to go through not harass your new neighbors.


    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

      Sorry, but this is no longer America, where people are free to worship without undue harassment.

      That an elected official that was been sworn to uphold our constitution have lent his name to this harassment is appalling.

      I want building inspections done of EVERY religious institution, as well as EVERY public building in the area.


      • Lew from Brooklyn

        Lisanne,

        I am asking Ned to post the full content of my letter. All it asks for is that DOB treat everyone equally, to make public documents available in a timely basis, and to reply to complaints in a substantive way. From the beginning, I have been asking that the law be applied…if the structure is legal, it may be built. Period.. Many—though I will not say all—of the Voorhies mosque opponents are motivated by bigotry. I do not—and will not—stand with them. However, as I know for a fact that DOB’s decisions in this matter will be challenged by the non-prevailing party in Court, making sure that i’s are dotted, t’s crossed, and decisions are correct substantively and procedurally, unbiased and objective, seems especially important. I have taken a great deal of heat for insisting that people be able to practice their religion as the Constitution provides. I am more than willing to continue to take it if necessary. Please withold your judgment until you read the entire letter, and consider it in the context of what is going on here.

        Councilman Lew Fidler


        • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

          I have read the letter, Pamela Geller posted it a few days ago on her blog. I sent Ned a link, so I assume that he has read it as well. It’s language is neutral, but it is asking the Buildings Department to treat this differently than other construction projects.

          I would imagine that if we scrutinized any building project we could find the same sort of flaws that are being reported. But few projects would be subjected to that degree of scrutiny.

          Pamela Geller has endorsed the harassment campaign that Bay People is engaged in. They will undoubtedly see an increase in donations as a result of her article. She has asked her readers to contribute to their “cause”, which she quite plainly as describe as a battle to save America from the Muslim hordes that seek to take over.

          I don’t think you want your actions to be co-opted by this group of very dangerous people. But by publishing your letter she is implying that the “voice of reason” is being heard by local officials. She is attempting to legitimize her extreme views.


        • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

          • Lew from Brooklyn

            As much as I wanted to ignore her post, I just read it because you asked me to. I would say that the post is dripping with paranoia, especially since we all know that DHS has cleared this group in writing: referring to them as the Muslim Brotherhood and similar statements are wholly inappropriate. However, she does not refer to my letter, she just posts it. If her implication is that I buttress their allegation of misconduct as DOB, then she needs to re-read the letter which says no such thing. As to the unavailability of the plans, which I did allege, I now understand—in response to my letter—that the scanner/copier that was out of action is extremely unusual…not a machine that can get parts at the copier store. And that it has now been fully repaired. So, I don’t think that her use of my letter to any objective person reading it is supportive in any significant way. All it says is that an agency has an obligation to be impartial and diligent in responding to complaints and that the law is the law.

            Councilman Lew Fidler


          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            I’m sorry. it wasn’t the most pleasant reading, and I’found Ms.Geller to be a tedious writer at best. But she is clever, she didn’t need to overtly state where your sympathies lie. To her audience, the post meant that they were making headway in getting local officials to recognize their clout.


          • BrooklynGirl

            Lew, that’s the first I’ve heard of DHS looking into whether Muslim-American Society is affiliated with radical groups… is this online somewhere? I’d really appreciate a link!


          • Lew from Brooklyn

            Brooklyn Girl,

            Former Congressman McMahon had them checked out in connection with a project they were doing at, I believe, a former convent in SI. DHS sent the Congressman a letter which he made public, clearing this group of any terrorist connection whatsoever. I donot know if it is online anywhere.

            Lew


          • Guest

            That project, namely, another mosque/cultural/community center was halted as far as I remember? Correct me if I am wrong, I think residents of Midland beach revolted and the sale of property was cancelled by the Board of the Church.

            I have not seen anyone calling them bigots and racists.

            And they have tons of parking there on SI, so that was not an issue. The issue was MAS and its support of these community centers spawning around New York like there is no tomorrow.

            How can anyone clear of anything when money is being funneled and laundered and sometimes it would take an army of investigators to find the money trail? Even if they deny political association with any terrorist’s groups, can you honestly say that they are not being supported financially with blood money supplied by the radical Islamic organizations?

            I do not think DHS has enough resources to find all the money trails, you would need years for that and training and they are not equipped for that.


          • levp

            RC Church, as a private organization, has a right to sell their property or not to sell it. They have a decision-making body (Board of Trustees) that is entitled to change their minds, which is what they did.

            In our case, the property sale has closed a long time ago.

            The United States of America is a nation of laws. That means, in part, that agencies designated to uphold laws are the ones with the investigative powers, not individual private citizen. DHS (and FBI) have the power to subpoena, search and seizure and, finally, detention and arrest. Me and you do not have these powers.

            Therefore, we should let those proper authorities exercise their investigative powers instead of guessing.

            Our Constitution also provides measures by which an individual private citizen can demand satisfaction of grievances against such authorities – the Courts (Judicial branch of government vs. Executive).

            In other words, if one is mistreated by DHS (in a form of a report they prepared on MAS), this person has a right to sue DHS and Dept. of Justice.

            Without following this procedure all these words about financing and terrorists are simply accusations without evidence, and, as such, not worth a lot.


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            They use CASH.

            Since when CASH is traced?


          • BrooklynGirl

            Thank you for the info!


          • Guest

            Do you really need to explain yourself here? You are doing what is right for your constituents and you do not need to defend your actions. Just because someone used your letter in the way they found most advantageous to them, does not mean you have to explain yourself to someone like Lisanne, really, Councilman, you do not. You want to do what is right, in the end, that is all that matters. It’s hard for anyone to be unbiased in this issue, however when you are being accused of not being impartial, you really need to take a firm stance.

            Lisanne is famous for mudding the waters with her “Bigotry” card and her “Constitution” card and her “Freedom of whatever” card. She is on the computer 24/7 and has nothing better to do than to attack anyone whose opinion differs from hers. Please do ignore her before she drowns you in her socialist’s mambo-jumbo.


          • Guest

            Do you really need to explain yourself here? You are doing what is right for your constituents and you do not need to defend your actions. Just because someone used your letter in the way they found most advantageous to them, does not mean you have to explain yourself to someone like Lisanne, really, Councilman, you do not. You want to do what is right, in the end, that is all that matters. It’s hard for anyone to be unbiased in this issue, however when you are being accused of not being impartial, you really need to take a firm stance.

            Lisanne is famous for mudding the waters with her “Bigotry” card and her “Constitution” card and her “Freedom of whatever” card. She is on the computer 24/7 and has nothing better to do than to attack anyone whose opinion differs from hers. Please do ignore her before she drowns you in her socialist’s mambo-jumbo.


          • levp

            Wait, not a word about me? I’m upset. I thought that I used my “Freedom of Whatever” card at least as much as the next person…


          • Guest

            you were free to whip that card out, exercise your freedom of choice and ignore my post all together, as I hoped you would. But you are an attention whore and feel the need to stick your nose into every single sub conversation that takes place here? Get a life, preferably somewhere in the Kingston area, I think you will feel right at home there.


          • levp

            Nah, I’m fine here on the Bay, thank you very much.


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            Levp

            What are you saying or trying to prove?

            Guess, Welfare dollars are paying you to sit home and type.

            Or are you in a psychiatric facility with computer use?


          • levp

            See, everything circles back to socialists with their welfare and their psychiatrists! If not for them, I would not be able to become a computer programmer, buy a house in Sheepshead Bay and post comments on this blog.


          • Guest

            levp is just a troll, ignore him


          • levp

            *cough* So says a person with nickname “Guest” and an empty profile… *cough*


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            Guest,

            Please telephone Lew to stop posting.

            Ned will twist his words and responses around over and over again.

            Lew did nothing wrong except tell the DOB to follow the LAWS that THEY MADE>

            Why do we have LAWS if you don’t need to obey by them?


          • Guest

            Do you really need to explain yourself here? You are doing what is right for your constituents and you do not need to defend your actions. Just because someone used your letter in the way they found most advantageous to them, does not mean you have to explain yourself to someone like Lisanne, really, Councilman, you do not. You want to do what is right, in the end, that is all that matters. It’s hard for anyone to be unbiased in this issue, however when you are being accused of not being impartial, you really need to take a firm stance.

            Lisanne is famous for mudding the waters with her “Bigotry” card and her “Constitution” card and her “Freedom of whatever” card. She is on the computer 24/7 and has nothing better to do than to attack anyone whose opinion differs from hers. Please do ignore her before she drowns you in her socialist’s mambo-jumbo.


        • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

          Jeez… a blogger can’t go out for a drink without a comment that demands his attention.

          Councilman: My scanner wasn’t working, so I didn’t post the entire letter. Will do so tomorrow, tech willing.

          However, I thought the quotes I chose reflected what you just said – that it was an issue of legality and ensuring a diligent and transparent review, so when the inevitable legal challenge comes there won’t be a chance for them to say “Well, the DOB didn’t do its job.”

          Also, whether or not people agree with their motives or not, Bay People has the right to the info they’re asking for, and the right to submit the challenge, just as many civics (and bloggers) do for out-of-character developments, et cetera. It is also not illegal, or harassment, to do so, just as it is not harassment to film or photograph people in public. Remember that whole GerritsenBeach.net halloween thing? I guess it all depends on which side of the issue you’re on…


          • nolastname

            So I can go film the film makers. This will be interesting to say the

            least.


          • Lew from Brooklyn

            Ned, I have no problem with the quotes you selected or your characterization of them. In fact, other than the comments of another blogger on another blog I am not familiar with, there is not s ingle syllable in my letter that asks that this project be treated any differently than any other project. In ALL cases, when someone files a complaint, I expect it to be addressed. And if someone abuses the complaint process, I expect THAT to be addressed too. The only specific complaint that I address in the letter is the unavailability of the plans for public review because the machine that scans them was out of action for over two weeks. Generally, that seems ridiculous—though DOB has now explained the why’s of that to me. The key DOB issue in the mosque matter is an interpretation of the code as it relates to an upstairs room, capacity, and the concommittant parking requirements. To be clear, I want DOB to interpert that provision for this mosque in the same way they would for a church, a synagogue or another religious institution. And again, if it is a legal structure, bigotry and racial/religious animus should not stand in the way of the project. Period.

            Councilman Lew Fidler


          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            When a building is converted (no pun intended) for religious use there is no expectation that we will have on premises parking sufficient for their needs, or to avoid imposing on the surrounding ares,.

            The question of the use of the second floor should not be a question at all. It is how mosques function. I would assume that this would be quite clear in the plans.


          • Lew from Brooklyn

            Actually, I am no expert Lisanne, but I believe you are factually incorrect. A building, whether a religious institution or not, must comply with local zoning and code as to permissible size and lot requirements. The room capacity/parking issue appears to be the sole viable legal issue that has been raised and I am not expert enough to know what the correct interpretation is. I just ask that whatever the interpretation that was given in the past to any structure, or for anyone’s religious institution should be the interpretation applied here.

            Council Lew Fidler


          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            The plans had already been subjected to extreme scrutiny before they given approval. In fact, approval for the plans had been given, and then rescinded for further consideration. DOB met with the participating parties (I assume the architect was represented) and after discussion approval was given. If on-site parking had been an issue, concern should have been expressed at that time, so as to allow a modified plan to be submitted.


          • Lew from Brooklyn

            Lisanne, And you would be surprised to ehar that anycity Agency, incuding DOB, is incapable of error? That is what lawyers call fodder for an Article 78 proceeding, challenging an admnistrative determination. I would point you to the uncompleted monstrosity at Kimball Street south of Avenue U which was thrice approved by DOB….until they finally realized they were incorrect. NOT saying they are incorrect here, just that they are not infallible regardless of the level of scrutiny. And in the name of prudence, and fairnes, anyone who thinks they are wrong needs to be given the opportunity to point out the error.

            Councilman Lew Fidler


          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            This can end up going on forever, until the mosque organizers run out of money. If DOB fails to thwart the project totally and becomes unresponsive to malicious complaints (the likely outcome) the opponents will take it into court. What protections are we providing the mosque organizers, who certainly would never have to face constant legal obstacles if they were building a church or synagogue.

            As an example, in a few days two steeples on the UMC of Sheepshead Bay are to be removed. Is there any concern about the safety of that operation? Should there be? In realistic terms, probably not. But were the Methodists considered an undesirable bunch perhaps some individual would be filing some nuisance complaint with DOB, and that process could be delayed.

            The parking issue was one of the earliest so-called concerns of the group calling themselves “Bay People”. The mosque organizers were aware of this, and desirous of having this project move forward in a linear fashion, surely must have discussed this with DOB officials. Knowing how sensitive a matter this is, DOB must have considered this when they were mulling over the submitted plans. Given the method used by Bay People of bombarding those they are trying to influence with communication they could not have done otherwise. I suspect that in the end the submitted plans will be once more be considered acceptable, and that Bay People will in response begin another round of challenges. And the winnowing down of both money and determination will erode the ability of the mosque organizers to complete the project.

            That would be an unfortunate outcome. Especially so as it will provide a blueprint for others who wish to impose their will upon our communities, and our societies.


          • levp

            I would like mosque organizers to post a link where people can donate money. I would absolutely give them $100 to cover an hour of PE work to respond to DOB complaints.


          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            We also need to increase the awareness of constitutional rights groups such as People For The American Way. It would help to know the right people to contact at these organizations.


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            Are you running for President?


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            sure donate to me…

            and I’ll make sure they get the money…

            Am very sure you can find the web-site


          • levp

            Thanks, but no, thanks. I remember the story of a Little Red Riding Hood and prefer to deliver “food” to the “grandmother” myself…


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            Am 100% sure that you are smart enough to find where to donate your food stamps to.

            They would be happy t take your life savings of $100


          • levp

            It is illegal to donate food stamps. Fortunately, I don’t have any. But I’ll donate cash, even it will be my life savings.


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            Am not sure if you are the real Councilman Lew Fidler or just using the user name.

            But, no other councilman EVER got involved in postings here. Not other politician got involved in posting here….

            PLEASE save your time. You are posting to people who will NEVER be happy with anything.

            You are spending you voluble time posting facts that may be TWISTED around in the future.

            You are being set up to your words being twisted

            .

            Ned loves twisting words around is not respected by anyone (just ask around).

            You are very smart and love the area.

            Notice that Ned DID NOT post your letter…

            Wonder why?


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            Lew,

            Please IGNORE some postings.

            You love the community, you are an amazing person (Never saw or heard of you till yesterday)

            Please ignore Mrs. L. Anderson.

            Some people have no job or life and have free time to write 10000s of posts not knowing the facts.

            Other people assume stuff without knowing the facts.

            2-3 of the posters here will spends hours and hours responding to you.

            This site is only viewed by .00001% of the area and most people already gave up on this site after they noticed the ONE SIDED articles and reporting.

            And, unless you agree with the editor or who ever writes this article, she blocks you from her site. Or deletes the postings to show the one sided remarks.

            Please be aware that some reporters will twist the truth and you know that.

            That is why most people don’t even respond or comment when sheepsheadbay bites calls for a statement.


          • nolastname

            Are you serious?

            Never heard of Lew until yesterday but you thunk you know it all. NOT>


          • Lew from Brooklyn

            Hope you don’t live in my district….

            LOL

            Lew


          • http://www.flickr.com/knightmare6 Knightmare6

            One-sided articles? Really? Now Ned may not be writing for The New York Times or other credible new sources, but thus far I’ve seen a fair amount of neutrality on his articles. The only time it may seem one-sided is when he posts the article coming from only one party in a multi-party dispute, but he also mentions he either couldn’t get in touch with the other involved parties or they declined comment or publication of their comments. He also does retractions and updates when possible.

            Only thing predictable is the ones losing suddenly attacking the credibility of those reporting, and hoping they can drive away future readers.


          • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

            “Now Ned may not be writing for The New York Times or other credible new sources.”

            Ouch. I didn’t really take any stock in what that other idiot was saying, but this one’s cutting.

            Keep in mind that I am a freelance writer, and have written for “other credible news sources.” I also like to think SBites is a credible news source, trying out a new model of reporting (which includes one source stories that evolve over time)…

            Talk about a backhanded compliment… 😉


          • http://www.flickr.com/knightmare6 Knightmare6

            LOL, no offense meant for you, guess it did sound wrong, LOL


          • Lew from Brooklyn

            Thank you for the kind words. I often do not reply, but Lisanne has been fair in other on line discussions and I think she deserves a substantive response.

            Lew


          • Guest

            We? Are you building that mosque as well?


          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            “We’ refers to the community. And the conversion refers to a project where a existing structure is modified for religious use.


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            Since when are you a construction expert?

            You think you know it all?


          • http://www.flickr.com/knightmare6 Knightmare6

            I agree, if all’s legal, than move forward.

            However haters will continue to press forward any way they can, period or not. It’s like sex, periods don’t matter if you want it enough.


          • nolastname

            But do you see how Pamela Geller is using you letter?


          • Lew from Brooklyn

            I actually haven’t checked it out. That is why I had hoped Ned would be able to post the entire letter here. People will use words, twist words…but ultimately, I can only be responsible for my own words….and actions.

            Councilman Lew Fidler


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            If you notice the writer of this article, she or he is one sided and twists words around.

            Actually, most of the people that I know don’t bother to look at the site anymore because they know how one sided the reporter is and will twist words around and around and around and around


          • Reup

            As a Muslim in the area, a lot believed that the letter was used by the Bigots to prove their case. I think it was an honest from you to send such letter to ask the DOB to make plans available (they are available as per DOB, unless you checked yourself!!!). The challenge was filed and it is being reviewed,…

            A hint, If there was an issue and the challenges are valid, DOB determined so, Because Zoning is ok, code is ok,. And the work started, with all permits issuance, as per the organizers of the project who told me so.

            The Problem here is the opponents are challenging the Constitution of the USA. ignoring the rights of others and trying to use your comments for their sake.

            After all we, still trust our officials, and the best way is to calm the issue down instead of sending such letters which are used to serve and spread hate, and bigotry in the area. Muslims are trying to understand with their attorneys how to approach the issue in the right way.

            Best to all


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            I am also a proud Muslim, does it mean I am better than anyone else?

            did you even read the letter?

            did you see even one word of hate?

            everyone should follow the same laws.


          • Reup

            I doubt it ,, muslims do not behave like that…lol

            well, I read it,,, and it fine but it was posted on the Bay people website. and you know the base of the organization.. was it formed to oppose the mosque ot to oppose the Muslims and threat , see brooklyn paper. Do you think that org to be accepted in the area. come on,, give me a break.

            Also the letter was posted on the other ( Blogs too ref, Pamela Geller webpage0)

            WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

            HOW DO THEY LOOK IT?

            AND EVERYONE THINKS IT IS AGAINST ONE GROUP!!!


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            Its 2011, not 1911.

            Look at the brothers in Egypt.

            They want CHANGE!!!

            Where will you park to pray?

            The Voorhies Ave is too narrow for double parking.

            Brothers could have gotten a bigger land and place to worship. Maybe Coney Island Ave? Nostrand Ave? Ocean Ave? Knapp Street?

            Some place with wide streets and parking. So many other places are available.

            How about Ave Y between E15 and E16 ( The guy is selling and its a HUGE LOT)


          • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

            That guy is selling for $10 million. And that’s his reduced price – I believe he came down from $14 million. I’m not weighing in on whether this building should be here or somewhere else. Just saying that the lot on Ave Y isn’t quite comparable.


          • Anonymous

            Arn’t they building a Parking lot????

            http://www.sheepsheadbites.com/2011/01/70-foot-building-on-sheepshead-bay-road-takes-shape/

            Well……………There goes all your Parking troubles.

            Plus with all the snow on the ground we’ve been having parking problems lately anyways, and who are you blaming for this one?


          • Guest

            And I thought they were challenging the amount of people that structure can accommodate? Wow, you sure have deep insight into this issue, maybe you should be on the legal team for the mosque. This way they would not have to use funds supplied to them by MAS/Taliban/Al Qaeda/Brotherhood of Islam/etc/etc.


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            Lew,

            You knew that Ned would not publish your letter.

            You knew he will take a few words and twist them around.

            You knew that he will make the article sound one sided.

            You knew that.

            And in case you didn’t ask ANYONE who dealt with him before.

            Probably, you love the people and love the community too much to ignore Ned.

            He will probably delete this posting,

            Because the TRUTH HURTS!!!


          • nolastname

            YOU are a know nothing. Like in the civil war days. Get it.


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            Civil War Days?

            How old are you?


          • nolastname

            It’s called history.


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            Live in the future. Not the past.


          • Anonymous

            You need to learn from your Past so you don’t Corrupt your Future.

            you know so you don’t keep making the same Mistakes people made in the past.


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            We learn from the past, but live in the future.

            Learn from France!!!


          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            If you publicly threaten to do something as an act of intimidation, and then follow through then your legal rights are a little cloudier. I could spend some time going through public statements to ascertain whether a legal case for harassment could be made, I will if it becomes necessary.


          • nolastname

            MMuuahh.


          • Anonymous

            “Bay People has the right to the info they’re asking for, and the right to submit the challenge, just as many civics (and bloggers) do for out-of-character developments, et cetera. It is also not illegal, or harassment, to do so, just as it is not harassment to film or photograph people in public. ” — Agreed, but…

            “peacefully picket in front of the construction site at 2812 Voorhies Avenue (on a public sidewalk) every week day from 8AM-4PM until he DOB and NYC will follow their own rules and procedures and enforce the “Stop Work” order as well as force the removal of illegaly constructed structures.” is harassment. They should be picketing the DOB, not the mosque.


        • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

          Lew from Brooklyn.

          Please ignore Mrs. L Anderson.

          Some people cant read and have very low IQ


          • levp

            Are you describing yourself?


          • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

            wow, you can read


          • levp

            Yes, and write too!


  • Faba

    Oy vey! Bay People let me put it as mildly as I can, “Shut up and go away. The day when you close every single Synagogue and Church on Sheepshead is the day when you get to be pissed about a Mosque. You all nuts, all of you, starting with people who like that guy on the cross, to all you lid wearing folks, to the guy with a magic carpet who gives me dirty looks and doesn’t know how to smile. Please, please with sugar on top, all of you go away.”


  • nolastname

    That little dweeb I think his name is Alex is filming through the cracks in the wall.

    It really borders on harassment.

    I have a pic I would love to post but don’t know if Ned would kill me, a woman I would like identified for being a trouble to the project.


  • CJ

    I’m embarrassed to live in this community. The comments on here however give me hope that I don’t live in an area filled with bigotry and fools. The worst part is that this is obvious fueled by bigotry yet they want to insist that they are concerned with making sure the building is compliant. If that was the case, none of these people would be able to do anything but picket every building being put up.


  • Wanderinglioness

    What a bunch of haters and losers. Why are you wasting your time? We ALL know how you feel and several of us already told you that you couldn’t and wouldn’t win – and you know what? We were right. They are in America now and have the same right to practice religion just like we all do. Leave this alone already.


  • Reup

    I heard they were kicked out by police. When I came at 12

    Was it true. May be they have to respect the bod permits.


  • Anonymous

    Wait, why do people hate them again? they pay taxes like everyone else does, and most are excellent at Computers + work as tech support….

    I think all the people who antagonize the mosque are racist scum.


    • Anonymous

      I would even Make them an Awesome Sign for there front if they please. That’s just how i see it.

      I’m a friend to all. 😀


  • Guest

    Great to see all this name calling, accusations and use of bad language by the “open minded” crowd!

    Way to go 😉


    • Anonymous

      in regards to what?


    • nolastname

      Please Lucy ‘splain.

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  • Guest

    Just want to see a photo of ShadowLock, must be good looking pal comparing to those “Hope these people know they look like fucking Jackasses.” Nice.

    Also he must have high IQ around 85, because he loves Muslims as tech support- they once told him to plug his PC on and then press the button and he is OK.

    “Wait, why do people hate them again? they pay taxes like everyone else does, and most are excellent at Computers + work as tech support….”

    Bay People are just trying to preserve quality of life for our neighbors, all of us from monstrous Mosque on quiet residential street. Want to see your face if they failed and every day we will be forced to hear call for prayer 5 times a day from 5am till 10 pm.

    Will you call Ghostbusters?

    “I think all the people who antagonize the mosque are racist scum.”

    Please support BayPeople.org now!


    • nolastname

      America is about freedom so you can use this site to spread bigotry.

      You unidentified one time appearance loser.


    • nolastname

      I’d like to see a pic if the Mrs. does not mind. LOL


    • Anonymous

      Wait What?


    • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

      People who support the project don’t live on the block.

      I think they may get a NO PARKING ANY TIME in front of the building. .

      Where will the people park to go and pray?


    • Anonymous

      i just realized i didn’t understand a single thing you wrote here.

      But all i’m going to say is, this is American Land of The Free, if you don’t like it, you can GTFO.


      • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

        Where to go?

        I was born here, my family came here in the 1800. And don’t like what I am seeing.

        Where to move to? Canada? Europe? Middle East? Asia? Africa?

        Where ?

        Some people moved to Australia.


        • levp

          Once Australians read your comments, I doubt a “welcome” mat from them will be forthcoming…


          • Guest

            oh, please, spare me your sense of humor

            welcome mat was not exactly rolled out for you here either when you got off the boat, never the less, you stuck here like a weed that’s impossible to get out.


          • levp

            I didn’t get off the boat, I got off an airplane… And it wasn’t me who contemplated The Land Down Under, either.


          • Guest

            There is nothing wrong with Land Down Under.


      • CantWeAllJustGetAlong

        The fact you dont understand shows why low IQ you have.


        • Anonymous

          The fact that you wrote “Why Low IQ” says a lot about you too Buddy.

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  • Anonymous

    All these posts are leading to WW5!

    I HAVE SPOKEEEEN!


    • nolastname

      You are probably right.

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  • Davidka8

    Pearl Harbor Two.


    • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

      Moron 4000.


      • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

        Is this going to be the start of the annual “Troll Week”?


  • Davidka8

    Pearl Harbor Two.


    • nolastname

      Next time hit the reply to comment so it stays in thread . I see tou are replying to Shadow’s comment. Hit reply so it stays in content. Okey dokey.


      • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

        He can’t. He is as Ned said “Moron 4000″.


  • Davidka8

    Pearl Harbor Two.

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