Nearly 100 teachers, parents and students from a slew of Southern Brooklyn schools rallied on Wednesday, November 30, to decry the continued cuts to public education in New York City.

The rally was mostly comprised of teachers and students from Leon M. Goldstein High School in Manhattan Beach, but organizers said other schools were represented, including Grady High School, New Utrecht High School, John Dewey High School and Franklin D. Roosevelt High School – as well as local middle schools and elementary schools. Local 100 of the Transport Workers Union, representing New York’s subway and bus workers, also sent a contingent, as did TWU Local 101, representing the city’s gas workers. They were joined by faculty and students from Kingsborough Community College, as well.

Though the protest was focused on education cuts, which have left many local schools without sufficient faculty, supplies or funding for extracurriculars, the marchers expressed frustration with the city and state’s habitual slashing of public infrastructure, including mass transportation, public hospitals and social services. The cuts are a stark contrast to the government’s treatment of the wealthy, most notably in how the state is willing to allow a millionaire’s tax to expire in the midst of such slashing, protesters told Sheepshead Bites.

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  • nolastname

    Good for them. Did the invite OWS?

  • Anonymous

    This Video is Private :(

    • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

      Fixed. Sorry about that – my computer and Youtube’s new interface aren’t getting along too well.

      • Anonymous

        this new Disquis is Whack.. Anyone else having trouble with it?

  • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

    I hope everyone has mercy on me. This is the first time I’ve done this kind of editing with a video. Enjoy!

  • Anonymous

    Nothing new here. Unions trying to hit up the tax payers for more $$$. No wonder TWU came out to support them… The fact is, we are spending $17,173  per student. What’s the national average? $10,259.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2010-06-29-school-spending_N.htm

    But let’s not talk about that, let’s hit up the taxpayers for more $.

    • levp

      Yes, but cost of life in New York is much higher than in TN or KY:
      http://www.cnbc.com/id/41666605

      Therefore, both teacher compensation and other expenses are (and should be) proportionally higher.

      • Anonymous

        Are you under an impression that NY teachers get paid 1.7x that of the national average? What’s more, should we be paying 1.7x the average taxes to make that happen?

        • levp

          1) That is almost the case.  In NY teachers make about 1.5 times more than teachers in TN:
          http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/average-teacher-salary-tennessee.html
          http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/average-teacher-salary-new-york.html

          2) Yes, and for the most part, we already do.

          • Anonymous

            And yet they are spending less than half of what we do in NY… What we really need is an ability for parents to opt out of the public school system and get school vouchers instead. I am sure that at $20k per student we can do better.

          • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

            Can I opt out of mass transit if I don’t use it? Or how ’bout libraries? I don’t care about taxis being licensed, so why am I paying taxes to keep the TLC running?

            You pay taxes for the betterment of society. Schools play a large role in that. NYC schools have their problems, but strangling them with budget cuts – through actual cuts or voucher programs – doesn’t seem like a solution. It seems selfish, and to the detriment of everyone.

          • Anonymous

            Ned, nothing’s more selfish than throwing tax payers $ out the window and pretending like it’s doing something to improve the situation. All it does is allows the spender to claim that he has raised the school funding x%, when he runs for reelection as if increased spending is the same as actual improvement. 

            And people fall for that, too. All I am saying is – people should have that choice. You want to keep your kids in a public school – fine. You don’t? You should be able to take that $20k and send your kid to a school of your choice.

          • levp

            I want a choice of which fire department I hire.

          • Anonymous

            That’s just nonsense. Let me know if you are unable to figure out the difference and actually require an explanation here.

          • levp

            Please do. As far as I am concerned, both are services that government provides.

          • Anonymous

            Ok, that’s one similarity. Both are housed in buildings – that would be another similarity. I suppose one could make a list of things that are similar here… But let’s stick to relevant comparisons. This one is irrelevant because
            1. People are satisfied with the service it provides. The fact that no one has offered an alternative shows that the demand is not there for a private fire extinguishing service. Same can’t be said for schools.
            2. If it took a FDNY truck 30 mins to arrive at the scene – people would be fired (no pun intended) and NYC would get sued for millions. Same can’t be said for schools – teachers don’t really get fired for poor performance and I highly doubt that you could succesfully sue for getting a crappy education.

          • levp

            Also, think this way: our neighbors from 2812 Voorhies Ave. can take vouchers that your taxes paid for and use them for a Islamic private school…

          • Anonymous

            Huh? Your point?

          • levp

            Whoever prefers Tennessee schools over the ones in New York, is welcome to move to Tennessee.
            Oh, and it is not $20K but rather $17K, which is on the lowest edge of the private schools annual tuition in NYC.

          • Anonymous

            Really levp? 

            I don’t know about all the private schools in the city, but I was paying around $9K when my daughter was in Font Bonne ([private Catholic high school) last year. 

            St. Mark (private Catholic elementary) is just under $4k. 

          • levp

            But you pay twice for religious schools (once in donations for the corresponding church and the second time for tuition)…

          • Anonymous

            that’s not true at St. Mark. There is a lower tuition for parishioners and they do expect donations, but there is no set amount. 

            Font Bonne Hall is not attached to any parish, it’s completely independent. So, no donations required.

          • levp

            Take a look at this article:
            http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=11311

            “Traditionally, Catholic schools have been financed by tuition payments, parish and archdiocesan subsidies and local fundraisers. Some high schools also receive subsidies from their sponsoring religious community. [...]  Over the past few years, tuition aid endowments have been established in Washington through a capital campaign.”

            In other words, these schools don’t provide entire set of education services for $9000 per student in tuition.

          • Anonymous

            That would still be under $19k.

          • Anonymous

            Yikes!

          • Anonymous

            I just looked it up. Tuitions is $8100, average class size is 18.  

            http://www.fontbonne.org/FHA%20Brochure.pdf

          • Anonymous

            I’ve never been to a school in TN, but I trust your experience is vast. Enlighten us?

            I think I’ve seen the $20k number somewhere, this says $19k

            http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2011/06/06/School-Budgets-The-Worst-Education-Money-Can-Buy.aspx#page1

          • levp

            In your original post above, you yourself wrote:
            “The fact is, we are spending $17,173 per student.”

          • Anonymous

            I found a more current source. The initial article is from 6/29/2010 3:05 PM.  The $19 figure is from June 6, 2011. Sounds like ware on track for $20k next year.

          • levp

            In this source, could you retrieve the corresponding value for TN (or even better, just provide a link)?

          • Anonymous

            A quick googling reveals (for the year 2009). NY per student spending  $18,126, TN: $7,897. http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/governments/cb11-94.html

          • levp

            Which means NY teachers actually suffered… They should be making twice the money teachers in TN make, but that is not the case.
            So blame BOE bigwigs and other Bloomberg cronies, I agree.

          • Anonymous

            That’s an interesting conclusion. I am drawing a different one – it’s the tax payers have suffered because they are paying twice as much per student and the kids are not getting an education that would justify that premium. This just proves that increasing funding will not benefit the kids. We neeed a voucher system.

          • levp

            Why do you think students don’t get an education that would justify $19K/year? Could it depend on the school, perhaps? Like, for example, P.S. 52 that my children attended – excellent school with excellent principal – or Hunter College High School that one of my children attends now. Compare these to one local “Russian” private school that my son attended several years ago – big mistake on our part!

          • Anonymous

            Other states are doing the same thing for less. It’s not like we are pumping out geniuses or have higher than average graduation rates. You speak of making a mistake by sending your son to certain private school, but isn’t it great that you have an ability to send him there and if you don’t find it suitable you can send him to another (in your case public) school? It’s nice to have those kind of options. Let’s give people the ability to do just that by giving out school vouchers…

          • Anonymous

            Also, giving more families an ability to afford private schooling will cause more of private schools to open. Increase in competition, would then, lower the tuition.

          • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

            Just like it did in higher education.

          • Anonymous

            The tuition for for colleges has sky rocketed due to gov’t making low interest student loans easily available (sounds familiar? Cheap mortgages… Housing market…). That being said, don’t you find it curious that SUNY’s tuition is still $10k-11k, yet we are spending almost twice per high school student?

          • levp

            But SUNY tuition =/= SUNY per student spending.  Their per student spending = state budget (read: taxes) + student tuition.

          • Anonymous

            Ok, fair enough. “Tuition at the State University of New York at Buffalo for an undergraduate degree is $7,772.75 per semester or $15,545.50 per year for non-resident students” – We can assume that the out of state rate is higher to make up for the state funding. Still lower than what we spend per pupil at board of ed…  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_University_of_New_York

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

    I’m afraid that the comment discussion here is proof that the threading format used is not working. From seeing how other sites use Discus it is possible to have threads that remain left justified. The discussion becomes unreadable her past a certain point.

  • http://www.brucebrodinsky.com Bruce B

    The govt spends billions fighting antitrust in the corporate world. Then it spends billions defending its monopoly on education. Disgraceful govt action at its finest.

    What’s more foolish is, most of the people who fight against school choice are sending their kids to private school.

    Shocking too is the recent stance of the NAACP against charter schools. This proves that liberal groups like this are not in favor of the very people they purport to be in favor of. And, of course, one of the officers of the group was caught having her child in private school.

    How these liberals do it with a straight face is beyond me. Maybe Lincoln was wrong about fooling the people.

    • levp

      Could you please cite the source of your numbers?

      For example, how much US Government spends on “defending its monopoly on education”, or what percentage of people who oppose school vouchers send their children to private schools.

      If people whose children are in private schools were selfish and greedy, wouldn’t it be better for them to fight FOR school vouchers?

  • Barkingspider07

    Why are they marching in Coney Island?  They should be by the Board of Education. 

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