Source: Flatbush Scoop

Three cars were found burned, and two others damaged, in an apparent hate crime targeting Jewish people this morning. Now police and community leaders are offering a reward to find those responsible.

From Councilman David Greenfield:

Brooklyn – Councilman David Greenfield offered a $1000 reward this morning for information leading to the arrest and conviction of those responsible for the shocking incident of anti-Semitic arson on Ocean Parkway this morning.

Residents of Ocean Parkway between Avenues I and J woke up this morning to discover that three cars were burned by arsonists. A fourth car had fire damage, and a fifth was scrawled in hateful graffiti.  Nearby, there was more vandalism depicting swastikas and the letters “KKK.” The 66th NYPD Police Precinct is investigating along with the NYPD Hate Crimes Task Force. Councilman Greenfield spoke with Inspector John Sprague earlier this morning, who assured the Councilman that every resource was being utilized to catch those responsible for this anti-Semitic attack.

“We will not accept anti-Semitism in our community.  There is zero tolerance for such acts of hatred and ignorance,” said Councilman Greenfield.  “I’m confident that these hateful people will be caught and punished to the full extent of the law.” Councilman Greenfield is encouraging residents with information that could lead to an arrest to call the NYPD tips line at 1 (800) 577-TIPS.

[via Flatbush Scoop]

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  • Anonymous

    Nice to see that the Occupy Wall Street supporters are branching out into arson and hate crimes. 

    I also wonder how the cars could have burned so much.  It’s a busy area why didn’t some one call the FDNY.  By the look of the pic it looks like the cars were burning for some time.

    • http://twitter.com/Lostinservice Lostinservice

      Look at you, not even noon and you’re already throwing out random conspiracy theories and putting blame for a hateful act on a group you don’t understand, how efficient of you, dumbass.

      • http://www.google.com/ F_a_b_a

        Wait he will tell you how poor your reading comprehension is any minute now.

      • Anonymous

        Sticks and stones.  I actually understand the group very well cause I go to see the protests every single day and will go today in about an hour.  Socially progressive people they are not, despite what the celebrities who visit them want you to think. How often have you been there?  If not often, I urge you to go and spend some time there.  Every day I see anti-semitic signs and have often heard people talk about Zionist Bankers controlling American.  It is is not unreasonable that others will be affected by the hate speech there.  Modern antisemitism is mostly coming from the radical left.

        • http://www.google.com/ F_a_b_a

          I’m sure you got cellphone with a camera. Take pictures of anti-Semitic signs. I’m yet to see one but curious to see them.

          • Anonymous
          • http://www.google.com/ F_a_b_a

            Oh thanks. This is good read. I will follow up with my comment later.

          • LeaterK

            when you have millions of people, you will find extreme statements. But, the OWS does dot support the view point of these 5 people

          • Anonymous

            The OWS protestors are very good at shouting down and arguing with people who oppose their views. If you would go there with a sign that said “I love capitalism” you would be shouted at, spit on and probably punched.   However these antisemitic elements are allowed to remain and are often supported by the bulk of the protestors.  Silence in these case generally means acceptance. 

          • ShutupTroll

            You are worse than the news.  Shut the hell up you are out of your mind.  Anti-Semitism has nothing to do with OWS.  Perhaps a few deranged homeless folks may feel that way but that is not supported by “the bulk of the protestors.”

          • http://twitter.com/bkjenka Jennifer K-Milo

            are these idiots for real?? Im appalled

          • Anonymous

            Very real.  There is lots of this you wont see on the news.

          • levp

            Instead of reading articles on the Internet, I would suggest actually going to either Zuccotti Park or any other Occupy site, and count the number of anti-semitic signs that you will find there…  Out of thousands of attendees, that is?

            In addition, are you familiar with the term “provocateur”:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur
            It is very likely that this definition applies to those pictured in the links cited earlier.

          • Anonymous

            Yes, please do go to Zuccotti park and ask the protestors’ opinion on the issue of Antisemitic signs in their surrounding, or their opinion of Jews in general.  

          • levp

            So we agree – that’s exactly what I wrote.

          • nolastname

            If it was so real don’t you think Bloomie would be all over it?  He want’s to discredit and belittle OWS any chance he gets. tuth must work for Bloomie.
            I am not even sure what state the pic tuth provided is from.
            One person does not represent OWS’s mission.

          • nolastname

            I looked at one…So there’s a nut on film. Speak to the organizers, they paint a very different scenario. 
            Go to Washington Square Park, W8th Street by the cube,Union Square and so on…..you can top that video easily.
            Even the nut makes some valid points.

          • http://kibblesbits.wordpress.com/ Ann

            Across the country, too.  I haven’t heard anything like that in our local occupy groups.  We have had someone come up and yell at us, though.  I think he eventually left.

          • gunrungfun

            well. The American Nazi Part and Occupy Wall Street did recognize solidarity with each other.

          • http://kibblesbits.wordpress.com/ Ann

            No. Wrong. OWS did not recognize solidarity with the American Nazi Party. If the ANP did something like that, there is nothing anyone can do about it.  

          • http://www.facebook.com/brooklynlotus Angie Delacroix

            Any right-wing group that takes surface aspects of socialism or leftism is not leftist.Stalinists are fake-leftists that will work in cohoots with fascists. Some OWS members put up a loud match against anti-white and anti-jewish protesters trying to infest OWS. OWS is not an organization,but a generalized action.We  can blame everything about banks and corporations on the Swiss.

        • http://twitter.com/onique Jo DIrt

           Tell that to David  Duke. There is no mention of a connect to OWS and the hate crimes happening here. It is pathetic that you are trying to make a connection. Most likely some child of a middle class republican family who parents misguided views have generated anger and hostility to those who are different than he is.

          • Anonymous

            David Duke doesn’t have many supporters in NYC.  In Brooklyn, a misguided child from a middle class republican family would most likely torch a car belonging to a Muslim person.  This is not Mississippi.

          • pringles

            Actually, Dirt, the least tolerant people on the face of this earth are the leftist so called progressive  scum. Precisely, the OWS type.
            These scum are full of hate and intolerance, all out of sheer ignorance and stupidity, they are the most uneducated closed minded and irrational motley crew.
            If it will be found that they had something to do with it, I wouldn’t be surprised at all.

          • Luke

            OWS would probably never murder and abortion doctor.

          • Anonymous

            Probably not.  But they will rape their fellow protesters, piss on the sidewalk and threaten local businesses that don’t accomodate their needs.  The force is clearly not with you Luke.

          • levp
          • levp

            Would you like to cite any supporting facts to your characteristic of “progressive scum”?
            Pick any part of your statement – hate, stupidity, closed-mindedness or, especially, level of education.

            If it will be found that you had something to do with it, I wouldn’t be surprised at all.

          • nolastname

            And you sound so full of love and tolerance yourself. The of sheer ignorance and stupidity coming from an uneducated irrational, “type” as yourself is just stupid. Blah-blah-blah…..We can all name call….ain’t it cool.

        • GetaGrip

          You seem to have to notice Occupy Yom Kippur, where the occupiers celebrated Yom Kippur together. And Occupy Sukkot, where the occupiers build a sukkot and celebrate that holy day together. I didn’t vet these articles, just a quick google search for your reference. Please stop spreading misinformation.

          http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/08/1024083/–OccupyYomKippur-%E2%80%93-Im-Absolutely-Speechless

    • http://www.google.com/ F_a_b_a

      What does OWS have to do with this particular crime or hate crimes in general?

      • Anonymous

        Read my above comment.  You too, should really spend some time at the protest if you want to see what it’s all about. 

        • LeaterK

          Spend time? maybe you may share information with you? didnt know OWS is a hate group.

          • Anonymous

            I wouldn’t describe it as a hate group but there are large hate elements within it.  What it is also NOT however is a bunch of idealistic young hippies and that is what people who don’t come here think. I really urge people to come to the protests and see for yourself, don’t take my or the media’s word for it.  If anyone here has been to the protests please feel free to share your own first hand opinion. 

          • LeaterK

            I am busy working and kids. Do these people have jobs to go to?

          • Anonymous

            Most of these people are not interested in going to jobs and to be honest in the mental and physical shape they carry themselves no one would hire them.

          • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

            Hello? Hate crime in our community? Can we stay on topic?

          • Anonymous

            Right, I merely wanted to get a discussion going and knew that mentioning OWS would stoke the fire.  Hopefully the arson was an isolated incident, and will not repeat.  However if you want to get a possy going and go house to house questioning suspects I’d be down for that.

          • http://twitter.com/onique Jo DIrt

             Seems to me that you are an instigator who would likely commit these arson’s to point the finger at a group you disagree with.

          • Anonymous

            Sir, you have clearly been watching too much Law and Order on TV.

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            Or perhaps you have.

          • Anonymous

            Ohhh snap! You Went there!!

            *hides for cover

          • nolastname

            Pay Day. Give the man a prize.

          • nolastname

            Can you stay on one side of the saddle? Turncoat. Follow your own thread sometime.

          • Anonymous

            You are starting to write incoherent gibberish again.  I though that you “turned a dead ear to me.”

          • levp

            Your loud insinuations can wake up a dead ear, even if it is turned away.

          • LeaterK

            yes master. whos your daddy?

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            Tuth is implying that OWS set these cars on fire.

            It’s come down to that. OWS is becoming too successful and people like Tuth have to discredit them, even to the extent of ridiculousness.

          • http://kibblesbits.wordpress.com/ Ann

            You’re right; I’m not a hippie. I’m a traditional “soccer mom”, stay at home mother, volunteer at schools, bake cookies, married before we had 3 kids, middle class woman who likes to shop sometimes.  I am idealistic, though, and not only do I rally, I help organize and support.  We’re all across the country, and are very diverse. Most work, own their own homes, we have young high school students as well as quite a number of retired men. Plenty of vets, too.  Not too many hippies, though. Just Americans who have had enough.

          • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

            Welcome back, Ann.

      • MyBrooklyn.com

        F#$$%uck those son of bitches at
        Occupy Wall Street…bunch of hatemonger’s themselves

    • http://twitter.com/onique Jo DIrt

       Moron.

    • MyBrooklyn

      Let me make these clear, those
      savages @ Occupy Wall Street full hate of Israel and jews in general. I was
      there to experience hate fest myself. Honestly at first I was supporting their
      movement as long as it did not go into debate religion, right/left politics and
      racial agenda….But in my gut I felt those savages will turn this issue into a
      jewish issue..F#$$ck them…Free Palestine BS..sick and tired of it. If are so
      freaking caring and trying to fight for human rights…. Why don’t they
      occupy Saudi Arabia where u will get harass by just for displaying Star of
      David, or why not protest against Tunisia/Egypt who officially now run by
      Islamic radicals & killing off any Egyptian Christian Coptic population
      & fire bomb the oldest synagogue in Tunisia. They’re bunch of anti semitic and
      freeloaders…

      • nolastname

        I accidently hit like. What drugs are you on?
        Everyone knows money rules. Sorry if the Jews have it and own most of corporate America. That is the point Corporate America. Now what do you want to read into it? You sound awfully racial in case you didn’t notice.

        • http://twitter.com/Lostinservice Lostinservice

          If you hit the grayed out “Like” button it will undo it.

          • nolastname

            TY

        • Arlene Herring

          Where did you get the idea that ‘Jews have it and own most of corporate America.’ That is typical anti-Semitic crap. I thought you better than that. Is Trump Jewish? No. Is Gates? Saudi billionaires? 

          I hear young kids sometimes on their way from SBHS to the bus making comments about how horrible Jews are. I don’t know where they’re getting these ideas from, but now, reading these comments about concerted acts of egregious anti-Semitism, I begin to see.

          Did anyone think to remember that Kristallnacht  was on November 8th & 9th, 1938? Do you really think that’s coincidence?

          • nolastname

            Anti-shit. It’s a fact. Sorry if it puts a question in anyones mind. If I believe the Jews have the money than I am anti Jew? 
            Ok…Whatever.I guess that’s why I divorced my first husband. LOL…He was a broke Jew. 

          • Arlene

            It’s a myth, not a fact. Hear the one about how Jews drink the blood of baby Christians? It’s in the Canterbury Tales, a great work of medieval literature.

            Jews were not allowed to work at trades other than money-lending when they were forced into ghettos in Europe. That’s how ‘we’ got into banking.

            But I am a Jew and I am so below the poverty level, I make OWSers look rich. 

          • nolastname

            No thanks. I don’t eat raw meat. I think religious beliefs would not allow the blood drinking. THAT is a myth.
            So is this why Europe is in trouble with the market?Maybe you should join OWS.

          • nolastname

            You see kids, talk to their parents. I raised mine to care for all people. 
            I was raised to bring home friends from all walks of life. Fifty years ago I had Hispanic,White, Black, Jewish, Chinese, Catholic and Muslim friends.
            Saying Jews have the majority of bucks is not anti-Semi.
            Don’t like my opinion OK.. Maybe I am wrong, let me go ask one of my Jewish friends to see their investment portfolio.

        • http://kibblesbits.wordpress.com/ Ann

          Do Jews own most of corporate America? I thought it was the WASPS.

    • nolastname

      And you say it is OWS because? There were hate crimes Looooooong before OWS.

      • Anonymous

        Yes there was hate before, does that mean we turn a blind eye to it now?  OWS elements represent the modern form of hate.  

        • nolastname

          No, I never have been blind to and I am not in denial, but you just won’t give up trying to blame OWS. Because, YOU are not for the freedom and rights they stand for. This is something for you to get on a band wagon with BS. Now I will turn a deaf ear to your babble as I have done the last time you were trolling. 

          • Anonymous

            Oh yes, I have seen their version of freedom and have lived under it for 10 years in the Soviet Union.  There is no freedom when you force someone to give up what they have worked for. You are turning a deaf ear not to me but to the world around you. 

          • Lucas

            So did you live in the Soviet Union until you were 10 years old or did you move later in life and live there for ten years? I assume you lived there till you were 10. Its just funny that you talk living there as if Stalin had his boot right on your neck. You were just a kid how would you know what the Soviet Union was doing to you. Did they force you to play in some government mandated sand box.

          • Anonymous

            You are right I lived there till I was 10, went to school there for two years.   My parents lived there much longer and my grandparents can tell you all about Stalin and his boots.  Believe me, I and others who lived under in the Soviet Union can tell you more about communism then all the turds at OWS or the media jokers who are fashionably liberal ever could.  I can also read Lenin’s ideas in their original Russian, and believe me when I tell you, Communism or Socialism the way Marx and Lenin envisioned in their writings is nothing like what the the idiots here who think they are Communists is, but that is a discussion for another time.

          • levp

            Well, for the record, I lived in the Soviet Union for 20 years before we came here, graduated not only from school, but from a college as well.
            I wrote college admissions essay on the history of the Communist Party…
            So my “Soviet” credentials are well established.

            I can tell you that you don’t see the difference between Franklin D. Roosevelt and Stalin – and that is characterizing you and how much you know, not us.

          • Anonymous

            “You can tell that….” thank you oh wise one! Why don’t you tell me what else I know and don’t know.  I actually think FDR was one of the better U.S presidents and Reagen was one of the not so great ones, and if you followed the discussion from the beginning, which I am sure you have not, you would see that I was originally supportive of OWS. But hey you don’t need to read, you are a mind reader.

          • levp

            Thanks!  At last, someone recognized my mind-reading abilities!

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            Have you been down there? Have you talked to enough people to make distinctions between those who are actually part of it and those who are using towards other ends? I’ve been talking to them, it reminds me very much of the social protests of the 60s. As more people get involved the core of the movement will become that of making those who have the means responsible for maintaining the stability of our society. You do not maintain that stability by taking more than is healthy from those who are not in the position of controlling the course of events both great and small. When that happens the eventuality is that the control is taken away from such people. If this doesn’t happen through the natural process of balances then the people will vote their dissatisfaction. If that fails to achieve the needed ends than groups like OWS become even more important. Because we do not want to see matters go beyond that stage. That could end up getting really ugly.

          • Anonymous

            As I mentioned several times, I go there every day because it is close to my job.  I have tried to chat with several people there but to be honest with you most of the people that were sort of chatty seemed to be under the influence of something (drugs or alcohol).  Having a debate is out of the question as I have seen several people do that and they just get surrounded and yelled at.  

            The 60s protests, while I was not there, were about something concrete, civil rights and anti war.  The OWS protesters on the other hand are a rambling mass.  They are filled with druggies, gangsters, hustlers, bums and people who want to be supported by the government, not simply people who are looking for fairness.  At the beginning, the protesters were mostly naive but at least good nature hippies, what we have now is the more anarchist variety, the distant and more dangerous cousins of communists. 

        • http://kibblesbits.wordpress.com/ Ann

          Right now I’m only seeing hate from you and your sock puppet accounts.

    • tinman

      WTF do the OWS people have to do with this? They may not like “the Jews who run Wall Street” but they have never been this violent or committed acts of vandalism in this area.
      Please check your facts before pointing the finger of blame!

      • Brightonresident

        OWS is NOT anti-semetic!!!

    • Jay
      • Anonymous

        Of course no liberal, Jewish or otherwise will denounce OWS.  As far as the politicians mentioned in the article, have they actually gone to the protests or simply assume there is no anti-semetism based on NYT articles.  I have personally seen hate on display there, it’s plentifully documented by others, it’s not just one or two “crazies.”  These are the facts.  The original motives behind OWS might have been positive but the truths on the grounds are very different. 

        • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

          OKay, maybe a police raid is in order here.

          Free speech in this country must be repressed. Even if we have to frame some innocent people to achieve that end.

    • Brightonresident

      What does OWS have to do with this???  STUPID STATEMENT!!!

    • Akejuwur

      You know that occupy wall street supporters ARE RALLYING against these Arson attacks in Midwood tomorrow. You are blind.

    • http://www.facebook.com/brooklynlotus Angie Delacroix

      I hate any person or group that is supremacist.I’m an independant OWS supporter.True leftists are against oblierating any race,nation or ethnic group.Those who want to kill all the Jews in Israel or anywhere else can only be my enemy. Third Positionist,Stalinists are false leftist who will work with the extreme right.There are those at OWS who would like them thrown out.

  • Anonymous

    2011 and people still hating on religion………

    Low Lives.

    • tinman

      Sadly, it’ll never change.

  • http://www.google.com/ F_a_b_a

    Find them and give them 4 years in jail, a year per car and 1 more for being idiots.

    • http://twitter.com/onique Jo DIrt

       how about we make an example of them and give them 5 years per car.

  • http://www.google.com/ F_a_b_a

    Edit.
    This was not posted in right spot.

  • LeaterK

    maybe insurance job as a package deal. Or the FDNY did not work fast. Every moment cars pass on Ocean PKWY. Was told someone called 911 when they saw flames. But, FDNY came and waited for more trucks before taking action.

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  • pringles

    I don’t think it was kkk, there aren’t enough of them around here and they are not known for this type of crime in these parts of town.

    Whoever did this, wants people to think it’s kkk, for whatever reason, and/or as a distraction, to cover up their own tracks.

    There are a lot of cameras in the neighborhood, hopefully, police can get some  leadsd from them.

    In any case, looks like it’s beginning here in USA as well.
    Time to prepare the passports.

    • Kevin L

      I doubt they want to blame the KKK. It’s more likely that they think the KKK have the same beliefs and are just scrawling their name to get an uproar.

      • http://kibblesbits.wordpress.com/ Ann

        Agreed. I don’t think there is much of a KKK presence in NYC. There are too many other people they wouldn’t approve of.  I don’t think they like Catholics, for example.  

    • NSF

      Of course, its not the KKK! And with all the spycams in service citywide, there’s no reason the culprits were not captured by one or more of them.

      “…Beginning here in the USA as well.” Where have you been? There probably have been more incidents of antisemitism in Brooklyn in the last decade than ever before. And it’s also been on the increase nationwide for much longer than a begining. Check the numbers at the ADL web site. 

  • Local Broker

    While everyone is on some conspiracy theory shit why hasnt anyone thought that maybe it was the GB kids wandering into other hoods doing what they do best. 

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

      The punk kids who do that sort of crap in Gerritsen Beach can’t read a map, so they would never find their way back home again.

  • http://www.njluxurymotors.com Arthur Borko

    My sister took a picture of a burning car on Ocean Parkway and Beverly last night. I wonder if these are related…

  • Andrew Kent

    I’m reading some of the posts below linking the Ocean Parkway incident with OWS, based on a few antisemitic statements by a small handful of misguided protestors, and I’m thinking wtf?  If anything characterizes OWS, it’s the diversity of its participants, so it’s inevitable that some fringe viewpoints will creep into the discussion.  That’s what democracy and free speech are all about.  But OWS, and liberalism in general, are, not only not antisemitic, but many of its founders and leaders are, in fact, Jewish.

    Aron “Pieman” Kay is a world-famous Yippie elder statesman, former JDL activist, and the son of holocaust survivors, who has been an almost daily presence at Zuccotti Park, and he would be among the first to speak out against antisemitic sentiments in the OWS movement as the following caricature makes clear:

    http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/378752_10150529608998079_507733078_11619953_920226380_n.jpg

  • NSF

    As reported by Courier-Life, the crime occurred around the anniversary of the “Night of Broken Glass” — a series of mob attacks against Jews in Germany between Nov. 9 and 10 in 1938; so it would not appear that this anti-Semitic act in Midwood is not a random act of  coincidence.

    • ES

      Don’t subscribe to what Courier-Life spoon feeds you as gospel. Just because a modern-day, anti-Jewish hate crime occurred near the date of an historic, anti-Jewish hate crime does not necessarily mean the two are connected. Courier-Life just wants you to think they are. While I am on the fence about it, there is the unexplored possibility that it could have been completely arbitrary.

      • Andrew Kent

        Not sure if this began as a hate crime or merely evolved into one. Vandalism and arson are crimes. When these acts are accompanied by swastikas and “KKK” graffiti, there is an assumption, if not a presumption, that they are hate crimes. But the coincidence with the anniversary of Kristallnacht may be just that, a coincidence. The perps could well have been a few chemically compromised adolescent punks, as opposed to neo-nazi marauders with an ideological agenda, but, because these vermin have managed to offend, not only Jews, but people of color, it’ll be interesting to see what fate befalls them once they are caught and caqed.

        • ES

          I don’t know myself although, hear me out on this theory: Of the two facets of the crime, the car torching and the swastika / KKK scrawling, were you the criminal committing these acts, which one would you do first? Would you quietly scrawl symbols of hate all over the benches and then, as a grand finale, burn the cars? Or would you set fire to the cars first, and then — with the fire bringing attention to the area — stop to draw swastikas and KKKs (with a greater chance of being seen by witnesses), with flames shooting out of the automobiles, risking injury to yourself? My money — and obviously I have so much because I am Jewish — is on the vandal[s] doing the hate symbols first and then setting the cars on fire. It makes more sense, in my opinion.

      • http://kibblesbits.wordpress.com/ Ann

        Honestly, I don’t think anyone that crude would put two and two together. I doubt that anyone young would know about Kristalnacht, and it wasn’t even the same date.  

        • ES

          Young people, to the extent that some still actually pay attention in school (though I shouldn’t talk, because I never did), are usually taught about Kristallnacht and the Holocaust in class. High school age members of the “Trench Coat Mafia” are the ones who selected April 20 (Hitler’s birthday) to commit the massacre at Columbine High School so, while I have suggested that the relative proximity on the calendar to the anniversary of Kristallnacht is probably arbitrary, I wouldn’t put anything past the savage brutes who would commit such a hateful act of vandalism. The point is…we don’t know. We aren’t them, thank God, we weren’t there, and thus it is difficult to make a fact-based decision given what little we know.

          • BrooklynBus

            Back when I went to school in the 50s, 60s and 70s, not a word was mentioned about the Holocaust. When I was about 5 or 10, I actually thought it was just a story my mother made up, but she always insisted that is how she lost her brother and his family. I couldn’t understand if it really happened, why weren’t we learning about it in school? Then I asked her why so many people in the street had numbers on their lower arms because that wasn’t where I would usually see tatoos. She told me that it was from the Concentration Camps without explaining further. As a five- year old I figured it was something like a day camp or sleep away where you would have to study a lot. It took another five years until l learned that the only studying anyone did there was how to stay alive.

            Even in College, Hitler was mentioned very briefly, just how he wanted to control the world and was the reason we fought World War II but no mention of the killing of Jews. So years later I dug out my old History book which i kept and saw that only one paragraph was devoted to him.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

    You realize that you are saying the same things about the OWS group as was said about the protesters in the ’60s. I was there, and there was some truth then, as there is some truth now. Save for one thing, none of these kids are looking for a handout. And few of them are anarchists. But it hardly matter, as these people will soon be dwarfed by an increasing number of moderate thinking Americans who are beginning to catch on to the fact that the birthright of all Americans is being taken away.

    Definitions of fair may vary according to what one decides that they need. Many members of the 1% seem to believe that they are entitled to “more”. No matter how much they have it is not enough. To them, any removal of what they don’t need but merely desire is considered to be unfair.

    But as a society we had decided over a hundred years ago that an arrangement that allows a lot to be in the hands of a few was NOT fair. And so accordingly, a process was begun to see to it that the few who had much of the nation’s wealth were made accountable or it. Teddy Roosevelt called this the “Square Deal”. It was meant to be fair to all. Those with means were increasingly expected to do more for those whose labor made their products and services available to the public, and that public had the right to expect quality products at reasonable prices.

    They call it the Progressive Era in the history books;

    FDR sought to increase the concept of fair dealing. That, in part, was what the New Deal was, in the long term supposed to accomplish. Much of that happened,
    and there was expectation that more was to follow. Then World War II put this on hold. Truman, who succeeded FDR, was not as ideologically motivated. By the 50s Civil Rights started to dominate the national discussion and a significant percentage of Americans believed that they were comfortable financially. Their complacency set the stage for the eventual erosion of the very comfortability they started to take for granted. By the 1980s the process of taking away from the wage earners, who were also the consumers of what the corporations manufactured, was moving along steadily with little resistance. Only now is it becoming apparent to a large number of people that they’ve been had.

    OWS is symbolic of a much larger anger that is building in this country. People are, to paraphrase the immortal words of Howard Beale “Mad as hell and not going to take it anymore”. Those who believe that they either are, or have the potential to be part of the so-called 1% will call these people all sort of names and accuse them of all manner of atrocities against humankind. It’s an old game strategy, and it won’t work this time. Their last defenses, such as the Tea Party, are quickly becoming understood to be an Un-American group, which perverts everything that is sacred about our national spirit. They will be gone within a year or so, and what a few young people began in Zuccoti Park will evolve into a much larger movement, a force capable of directing this country back towards the line of achieving a truly fair society. The Four Freedoms FDR promised us in 1941-

    “The first is freedom of speech and expression — everywhere in the world.

    The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way — everywhere in the world.

    The third is freedom from want — which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which
    will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants — everywhere in the world.

    The fourth is freedom from fear — which, translated into world terms,
    means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a
    thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act
    of
    physical aggression against any neighbor– anywhere in the world.”

    will become a reality, for Americans, and then for the rest of the world. Because this is where we were expected to be 250 years after the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

    We are, as Benjamin Franklin said, a republic, but only if we can keep it that way. It is now up to the 99% to do just that.

  • shipshed bey

    A lot of nonsense is coming from Tuth.
    1. No shred of evidence points to OWS being involved in these attacks. This is such a stupid, baseless argument that it shouldn’t even be refuted.
    2. Many progressive/liberal Jews are also critical of Israel and support the creation of a Palestinian state, along with equal rights for Palestinians living in Israel. So what? Does this make them self-hating anti-Semites as well? It must be a sad day when no one will be able to question their own country’s policies. By that logic all Russians should support Putin’s Russia, and all Libyans should have really supported Gaddhafi.
    3. A diverse movement like OWS is going to attract different people, including those that say stupid things like “Jewish bankers rule the world.” You can also have Tea Party republicans that brought monkey dolls resembling Obama to their rallies. Those on the marginal fringe are rarely representative of what draws the majority of people to a social movement. 
    4. Marxism/Communism is about the abolition of private property as a social institution and of the privately-held means of production. It does NOT mean, either in theory or in practice, that you can’t own what you earn. But I’d say that applies pretty well for those who under contemporary capitalism have made their earnings not through productive work but through lending, investment, and the manipulation of the financial system.
    5. OWS is not a rambling mass. There are different things people are angry about, but here are a few I think just about all of them will agree on: unaffordable costs of health care, the greatest income inequality since the 1920s, the unrestrained manipulation of the financial system by a handful of banks and credit institutions, one of the lowest rates of upward mobility among industrialized nations, declining real wages alongside rising costs of living, etc etc.

  • Andrew Kent

    I’m always suspicious whenever I hear anyone refer to “The Jews.” There is no such people as “The Jews,” any more than there are “The Christians,” “The Muslims,” or “The People with Red Hair.” As any Jew knows, if you put two Jews in a room, they’ll come out with three different points of view. Yes, there are Jews who have influenced human civilization over the centuries, perhaps to an extent disproportionate to their numbers in the population, but Jews, as a group, do not control anything, because “The Jews,” as an organizational entity, does not exist.

    Perhaps the best way to assess the impact of Jews on our civilization is not to count how many are bankers or other persons of wealth and power, but, rather, to imagine our lives, society, culture without the contributions of individual Jews. Who among us, Jewish or not, has not been taught by a Jewish teacher, healed by a Jewish doctor, protected by a Jewish lawyer, been aided by a Jewish philanthropy, or benefitted in some way from a product or service created by someone who was Jewish?   Where would American music be without the Gershwins, Irving Berlin, Rogers and Hammerstein, Leonard Bernstein, and countless other composers and entertainers to numerous to name? Imagine American cinema without the great Jewish screenwriters, directors, and actors, not to mention the producers and visionary studio executives who the anti-semites accuse of “controlling” the Hollywood that couldn’t have survived without their contributions. What would be the state of world health without the medical discoveries, vaccines, and cutting edge surgical techniques developed by Jewish doctors and scientists? And imagine how many more contributions might have been made by Jews whose lives were cut short by the Holocaust, the Pogroms, the Inquisition, or the countless other efforts over the centuries to exterminate an entire people, for no other reason than thet they were Jews.

    What never ceases to amaze me is that so many anti-semites consider themselves Christians, i.e., adherents to a religion created by a jew and based on a belief system that was historically Jewish.  What part of that do they not understand? 

    • nolastname

      You are going a bit overboard Andrew. No one -not I- said anything about exterminating “The Jews”.  We were all taught by Jews, Muslims and whatever.
      Blacks, Chinese, Hispanic…who cares what religion everyone contributed to this country. Why a Christian slap in the face? That’s not nice. What part of that do you understand as not being anti-Christian. 2 can play Andrew.
      Still think The Jews..several sects….have the majority of bucks.
      Seems your comment was directed at me…just not placed as a reply.

      • Andrew Kent

        Not at all. I wasn’t targeting anyone, just commenting on all the references we hear about “The Jews.”. As for Jews having most of the money, given the wealth of nations and the minuscule number of Jews in the world population, that would be a mathematical impossibility. And I wasn’t slamming Christianity, just pointing out the irony of Christian anti-semitism when Jesus was born, lived, and died a Jew. BTW, it’s no accident that the most important piece of artwork in all of Christiandom is a painting of thirteen Jewish guys having dinner. We eat, therefore we are. ;)

        • nolastname

          Well shut me up. Sorry.
          Still feel the same…here in these United States. I’m not talking other countries across the globe.
          Look at what’s happening to the market in Europe..the results of how the world looks at this problem will indeed effect the market in the U.S….. So again, walking and driving around these boroughs I see people…(not dead people LOL) and who has the money.
          About eating…I am going to Ossining and making a Vodka Pizza looking at the turning colors and enjoying my 2 Grandgirls today. Simple and heaven.

          • http://kibblesbits.wordpress.com/ Ann

            Even here, WASPS control a lot of both the corporate world, and the government.  Saudis also control a lot of business here.  8.4% Jewish in Congress, 12% in the Senate. Look at this list, of different industries, and see how many are Jewish.

            http://www.goldenageofjewishachievement.com/jewish-culture.html  We still have a long way to go with equality and diversity in the USA.

      • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

        “Still think The Jews..several sects….have the majority of bucks.”

        Don’t forget the media. We control the media, too.

    • EndofDaze

      Obviously, you read Paul Johnson too, since your comment here is practically lifted verbatim, from his factual, learned, and thoughtful book, “History of the Jews.” But getting back to the supposed topic of this thread. First, I don’t believe this vandalism happened between I and J, but more likely closer to L, since I see in some photos, part of Washington Cemetery. Second in seeing that one of the vehicles obviously torched was a BMW, there are many American Jews, even those who have been fortunate enough to have earned a lot of money, who have memories, who would never buy a big ticket German item, till at least the generations pass a lot more, and question their so called, brethern, who do! Third, I see that Dov Hikind, as usual has gotten involved (Oy Vey!), as if he is the spokesperson for most American Jews, which he is not! Finally, I would think it would be prudent to wait till the investigation is completed, before assessing blame  and causes. Good Shabbos to all, whether you celebrate it on Saturday, Sunday, or Friday.

      • ES

        The crime occurred in the 48th Assembly District, which is represented by Dov Hikind. While you wryly suggest he is “the spokesperson for most American Jews,” he is merely the Assemblyman representing his constituents — most of whom are Jewish — who live in that area.

      • Tinman

        Jews own BMWs, Mercedes and VWs, unless you have facts that prove otherwise. Come out of your daze and don’t generalize claims that are unsupported.

    • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

      Don’t forget Sheepshead Bites. Never forget Sheepshead Bites.

  • Brk_native

    OWS has created an anti-semitic and intolerant atmosphere.  Even if actual OWS campers did not commit this heinous act, OWS bears responsibility for fostering the environment in which it happened. 

    The Brooklyn campers are not protesters; they are cowards, and this cowardly act fits their profile perfectly.

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

      Maybe you have something there.

      There has never been a snowfall worth mentioning in October until OWS set up their little camp. Co-incidence? We think not.

      Obviously it’s part of a greater conspiracy.

  • Rafael Khachaturian

    I think this whole debate about OWS got people sidetracked away from the real story itself. This isn’t like the defacing of the cemetery that happened a couple of years ago. It is much more shocking. This is an absolutely disgusting attack that should have no place in our neighborhoods (or anywhere else for that matter). Anti-Semitic vandalism and other attacks of this kind on Jewish communities need to be dealt with fast so they do not become more common. I agree that these fools were probably not KKK or even real neo-Nazis, and especially not OWS. But as someone else pointed out, anti-Semitic attacks have been on the rise in Brooklyn and maybe this is part of a larger crime spree. At any rate, it is outrageous, and also hard to believe that something like this would happen on one of the most busy streets in Brooklyn and no one would notice until it was too late. I hope that they find whoever did this.    

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  • VR

    I just want to understand one thing. What exactly are jews doing to create so much hattered? What exactly do they do that is bothering the world so much?

    • http://www.google.com/ F_a_b_a

      Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion
      And look up “usury” if you like me and had no idea what that is.

      • Anonymous

        that’s umm… Old.   1200′s….. No one can prove what happened in the 1200′s.  

        so all this history is flawed or Altered to our time.

    • Anonymous

      You know what,

      When you find out let me know.

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    Ned the cops are saying this was an insurance scam. 

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