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Bay Improvement Group President Steve Barrison took to the Daily News yesterday, with an editorial bashing the big P.R. push to bring Walmart to New York City.

What does Walmart have to do with improving the Bay, you ask? Well, Barrison is also the executive vice president of the Small Business Congress of New York City, a federation of more than 75 small-business associations advocating for the rights of small enterprises across the five boroughs. And they have no love for the “Wal-monster.”

It’s also not Barrison’s first editorial against the nation’s largest retailer. He previously slammed environmentalists and the city’s transportation experts on Sheepshead Bites for not lending voice to the fight, saying that a Walmart would bring additional traffic, congestion and pollution to the area around the Gateway Shopping Center in East New York, where observers agree a Walmart is most likely to land.

In his latest editorial, Barrison touts a slew of studies revealing how Walmart can devastate local economies in big cities, and also stands up for New York City’s small businesses – the best incubator for economic advancement of women and minorities.

Here’s an excerpt:

Chicago‘s struggling West Side learned the hard way that Walmart’s stores destroy more retail jobs than they create.

In 2006, the big-box retailer promised to bring jobs to the cash-strapped community. But according to a landmark study by Loyola University, the company’s rhetoric didn’t match reality: Within two years of Walmart’s opening its doors, 82 local stores went out of business.

Instead of growing Chicago’s retail economy, Walmart simply overtook it – absorbing sales from other city stores, and shuttering dozens of them in the process.

Researchers at Loyola dubbed Walmart’s store a wash – generating no new sales revenue for Chicago, and no new jobs for hard-off residents.

… With due respect to Walmart, this is not the kind of economic development neighborhood small businesses need.

Everywhere you look in New York, mom-and-pop shops help anchor our busiest and most vibrant business districts.

Fordham Road in the Bronx, Flatbush Ave. in Brooklyn, Jamaica Blvd. in Queens, 125th St. in Manhattan, and Forest Ave. on Staten Island are thriving proof that our city’s small businesses are the engine that powers New York City’s economy.

For minorities and women business owners in particular, New York City is an incubator for the American Dream. A third of all businesses here are owned by women, and nearly 18% are owned by African-Americans and Hispanics – both above the national averages.

But that could easily change.

… Home-grown entrepreneurs and small mom-and-pops have proven their commitment to our neighborhoods time and time again. Instead of falling for the big-box swindle and supporting their out of town competition, let’s stand by our neighborhood stores, and create more good jobs.

The only studies that support Big Wally are funded by or through Walmart; kind of like the tobacco companies’ support for cigarettes. New Yorkers deserves better. Our communities and neighborhoods deserve better.

You can read the full editorial here.

 

 

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  • Marief3

    Well, what about what is good for the paying customer?
    I want a local Walmart!
    While I care about other businesses, I care about myself as well.
    I have the right to shop where I please and to save money however I can.
    I do not go to the small stores now anyway – too expensive and limited selection. The only exception is Silver Star and I did that even when Pathmark was there.
    I wish politicians and know-it-alls would stop trying to dictate where people can and cannot shop.. Stop whining and do something constructive and stop pretending people do not shop at Walmart ANYWAY!

    • Brightonresident

      You sound very selfish. Did you even bother to read the article. All sudies point out that when a Walmart opens, jobs are lost, stores close and go empty. The jobs the do create are low paying and generally do not provide any benefits. They use scare tactics toward the suppliers not to supply other stores and their products are ususally inferior to those you buy elsewhere.

      • Barkingspider7

        Walmart is no longer a nice company to work for. I have friends and family who work for them in 2 different states. They consider you a temp worker for the first 6 months, then if they decide to keep you, you’re lucky. You can buy benefits, but that eats up a big piece of the paycheck, and when they give you a raise, it’s like 25 cents per hour. Wow! What are you going to do with all that extra cash?

        I don’t care for Walmart – I used to love the place. At the store in Merrick, they shoved out Shop Rite and a couple of the other stores. Last time I was there, all that was left was Walmart and a pizzaria

        • Marief3

          Unfortunately, this is the way alot of companies, not only Walmart, are going.
          It is not nice, agreed, but you cannot single out Walmart.
          Every industry has been affected by this mean-spirited cost-cutting measure.

      • Marief3

        So sorry if I sound selfish to you but I should have the right to decide where to shop. Did you all protest so loudly when Target was going to open up? I am disgusted by the little stores you are worried about – do we really need
        ANOTHER 99 Cent store??? or another Medicaid Pharmacy???
        And besides, one would still have to drive 4 miles to get to Walmart – they are not building on Nostrand Avenue.

        • Brightonresident

          I am appalled at the loss of all the grerat stores that used to be on Nostrand Ave. I chalk that up to landlord greed and lack of customers– those that go to places like Walmart and believe the hype of lower prices (without looking a how those lower prices came about and how they affect the entire economy of this country). We need to start looking toward the greater good of all and bring the jobs back to this country.

          • Brightonresident

            Thats *great* stores, sorry for the typo.

          • Eminem

            people travel great distances to to to the valley stream walmart. Do you think it’s because of “hype” of low prices? Wow, you liberals really do think the poor people are really stupid and need your help. How condescending. The fact is, Walmart helps poor people save loads of money. YOU are the selfish one, man, just to support your Democratic/union cronies, you’ll sell the middle and lower class right down the tubes. How DARE you call Marie selfish. You’re just a sheep, repeating the liberal mantra.
            Those shoppers aren’t dumb. They’re quite intelligent. And they know what’s best for them. And there’s a whole lot more of them, of us, being helped by Walmart, than the few union workers that are helped.
            As far as small businesses being shut, that happens without Walmart. That’s caused by liberal policies of excess taxes and regulations. You’ve made it next to impossible to run a small business. And Obama wants to raise taxes on income over 250 grand. Guess who that impacts mainly? Yep, small businesses. He’ll do that, small businesses will close, and you’ll blame Walmart. Oh yeah, in 50 years, you’ll still be blaming Bush too.

          • levp

            Lets not make this into Obama vs. Bush conversation.

            As for the regulation in terms of retail trade, please go buy some expired milk and drink it (mandatory “sell by” dates = regulation). Then, please do the same with a product that contains peanuts, but doesn’t mention that (mandatory labeling rules = regulation). Then, if you are still alive, go to a food establishment which mice call home, buy prepared food there and consume it (mandatory health safety rules = regulation).
            Then we will find out how regulations in the funeral business protect your family…

          • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

            Okay. Since I’m the editor, I need to preface my comments. What I’m about to say has nothing to do with Walmart, and I’m not trying to lend voice to either side of the debate. Also, in terms of liberal vs conservative – I’m a boring centrist. I really love sitting on the fence. It’s comfy.

            That fence affords me some amusing views, too. Like when liberals go on with their “liberal mantras.” And when conservatives call them out on it. By using equally “party line” BS.

            Like this: “just to support your Democratic/union cronies, you’ll sell the middle and lower class right down the tubes”

            There are some definite problems with unions. But I never met an “upper-class” union member. The idea that supporting a union is “selling out” the middle class and lower class is political hogwash used to confuse an issue and rally the base.

            Unions built America’s middle class. They’re almost exclusively comprised of today’s middle and lower classes. Whether they’ve grown too powerful and need to be checked is up for debate. But to dismantle them altogether is without question the surest way to “sell out” workers to the upper classes.

            There’s my two cents. I’m sure I’ll regret this.

          • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

            Okay. Since I’m the editor, I need to preface my comments. What I’m about to say has nothing to do with Walmart, and I’m not trying to lend voice to either side of the debate. Also, in terms of liberal vs conservative – I’m a boring centrist. I really love sitting on the fence. It’s comfy.

            That fence affords me some amusing views, too. Like when liberals go on with their “liberal mantras.” And when conservatives call them out on it. By using equally “party line” BS.

            Like this: “just to support your Democratic/union cronies, you’ll sell the middle and lower class right down the tubes”

            There are some definite problems with unions. But I never met an “upper-class” union member. The idea that supporting a union is “selling out” the middle class and lower class is political hogwash used to confuse an issue and rally the base.

            Unions built America’s middle class. They’re almost exclusively comprised of today’s middle and lower classes. Whether they’ve grown too powerful and need to be checked is up for debate. But to dismantle them altogether is without question the surest way to “sell out” workers to the upper classes.

            There’s my two cents. I’m sure I’ll regret this.

          • Eminem

            Hey, Mr. Berke, I have no trouble with people that disagree with me. And I hope you continue your fine work here on giving us great S Bay news, and continue to encourage dissenting opinions, as long as nobody is threatened. Speaking of that…
            By the way, there was a post a little while ago that person A threatened to “kick the shit” out of person B because of a post that was admttedly ridiculous. A certain respected person on this board, while calling other people “trolls” and “racists”, actually clicked “LIKE” for this post. I’m disappointed in that person, disappointed in the board for not removing such a threatening post. And to the person who posted the threat, if it’s ever posted my way, you will have to prove yourself, let’s put it that way. Now back to unions. Unions had their place. My grandfather fought off the FBI in order to direct and support union activities. Those were the days when unions fought child labor, 7-day work weeks, coal mines, etc. Now here’s what they represent. My cousin’s hubby is being laid off as a teacher. His only competition was protected by the union strenuously due to seniority. The competitor has a DOCUMENTED history of abuse of students… Then there’s the 3/4 disability scam that almost every policeman/fireman goes out on. Then there was the famous rubber room for teachers. Caught in a crime? Serve in the rubber room at full salary for 10 years! (An actual case told to me by a friend who himself was in the rubber room). Then there’s the sanitation dept who killed at least one person in the recent snowstorm due to their slowdown. The list of course can go on infinitely. Unions are no longer a positive for the majority of the city. They almost resemble mob-run unions (there’s another story there about my late dad’s pension getting ripped off). I never called for dismantling of unions. But current budget crises, and the documented absolute corruption going on calls for some serious work. You can no longer say “Unions built this country” as a slogan for the current union mess.

          • Anonymous

            you know for someone who calls them selves Eminem you sure have a Soft heart.

    • Barkingspider7

      You have a walmart in uniondale – exit 24N off of southern state. It takes 30 minutes to get there. Keep walmart out of brooklyn

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643980010 Marie Friedman

        very interesting that you know exactly where the Walmart is – word of mouth I suppose? never been there, right?

        Walmart should be allowed to build in Brooklyn, PERIOD

        If people really hate it, they will not go there.

        Remember this is what killed the Pathmark that just closed on Nostrand Avenue – it became a disgusting store that was a poor performer.

        All I say is let the people decide, not the politicians with the unions in their pockets – I guarantee if Walmart greased their palms – the 180 would be so fast your head would spin.

        • levp

          Mr. Barrison is not a politician:
          “Barrison is also the executive vice president of the Small Business Congress of New York City, a federation of more than 75 small-business associations advocating for the rights of small enterprises across the five boroughs. And they have no love for the “Wal-monster.””

          Also, no need to go to the actual Walmart to know where it is. From the comfort of your own home, go to:
          http://www.walmart.com/storeLocator/ca_storefinder_results.do?serviceName=&rx_title=com.wm.www.apps.storelocator.page.serviceLink.title.default&rx_dest=%2Findex.gsp&sfrecords=50&sfsearch_city=&sfsearch_state=NY&sfsearch_zip=11235

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643980010 Marie Friedman

            I am aware of walmart.com – have shopped there

            I did not say Barrison is a politician – I was referring to the entire city council who thought this was their business. I am not against small businesses but I also want the freedom of choice to shop elsewhere if I want to. I am particularly incensed that Walmart is singled out as the “bad guy”. Small businesses pay their employees no more than Walmart and I hardly think they offer benefits. So Walmart employees have to pay for their benefits – I pay for mine! Do you think I get free health insurance? My point is that Walmart is being singled out unfairly pretty much because of the unions and I do not agree with that as do about 73% of people surveyed in NYC. WE want a Walmart.

          • levp

            For more on Walmart employment practices, Google “walmart class action”. Hint: there is more than one.

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            The survey was PAID FOR by Walmart.

            Why bring up small businesses. You won’t be seeing them anymore, Blocks of empty storefronts. That will be the aftereffect. It’s happened elsewhere. Walmart plans to eventually build 200 stores in NYC. (I am searching for a citation, but it has been mentioned in print, as least in a speculative sense) There will be no Target either. And any other big box. Most competitors are less sleazy in their business practices, though many could do better.

          • Eminem

            Steve Barrison does just such wonderful work for Sheepshead Bay. We’re lucky to have such a loyal, dedicated citizen in the neighborhood. But (and you knew there’d be a but)….

            He has an image for S. Bay that is long since gone, this image of a fishing village, with every storefront one-story, etc (okay, i’m exaggerating, you get the picture).

            I was shocked when he protested even Loehman’s as being an “eyesore”. Come on. I’ve brought people to Manhattan Beach, and asked them what they thought of the
            s. bay waterfront. To a man/woman, they said beautiful. One snobby woman from L. Island (are there any other kind?- Hey, just a joke) said “wow, I didn’t think anywhere in Brooklyn could be so nice”.

            Maybe Mr Barrison has a great idealistic idea of what the neighborhood should be. But it doesn’t seem practical anymore. Perhaps I’m being too much of a “realist”, but hey, I’m a Capricorn.

        • Eminem

          Great post, Marie. You said what I said in about 5 times less space! Let the people decide, not the politicians. That’s always how it should be.

  • Whwsailboat

    Walmart’s sells the cheapest crap around. You get what you pay for. If you want your community to look like a gigantic parking lot, Walmart is what you want.

  • Jal5503

    Look at Nostrand…1 shitty store after the next…1 overpriced pharmacy after the next….a little competition to help our pockets out is a bad thing? Walmart sells national brand name products too.

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

      I suppose you’ll be happy to see shuttered stores when Walmart discounts them out of business. When only Walmart is left you’ll be paying higher prices. But you won’t even notice.

      At any rate, the stuff sold at Walmart is junk. They force suppliers to cut costs, and part of cutting costs is making an inferior product. In a society that wants immediate gratification the consumer only cares that the product is usable now.

      • Anonymous

        You have it so right Lisanne. Not only does Walmart force suppliers to cut costs, it forces them to produce in factories they control in CHINA. Not only do they shut down retail businesses, they shut down factories, and suppliers.

        Walmart is responsible for destroying the American worker. And when you destroy the American worker, you destroy America

        • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

          We can add to the aggregate effect of Walmart in communities the number of American manufacturing jobs that they have directly caused to disappear. This i no passive act, Walmart have told suppliers to close their American manufacturing operation or run the risk of losing the contract, which in many cases was at least half the output of the company. How they achieved this was by setting a buy price that could only be manageable by the supplier if they moved manufacturing out of the US. Of course Walmart has a division that “helps” these companies set up in China.

          The loss of these American jobs affect all of us over the long term. That is, everyone except those who profit from these losses. Like the people that are the large stakeholders in Walmart.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643980010 Marie Friedman

          Please look at the merchandise being sold in all the stores you are so afraid of losing – nothing is made here anymore – all China. But why is it only Walmart that disturbs you? Not Target? Not Marshalls? TJ Maxx? What stores do all of you protesters go to on Nostrand Avenue? Maybe you all see something that I do not.

          If Walmart opens, I am still going to go to Silver Star, eat pizza at Connies, and buy my liquor at Wine Village.

          • levp

            There is Target on Nostrand Ave?
            Instead, Target and Marshalls are part of the “Gateway Mall”, owned by Related Group, which is exactly the “where” and “who” of the future Walmart in Brooklyn.
            So, no, I don’t think those stores are great, either. But Walmart trumps all of them.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643980010 Marie Friedman

            Target is indeed on Nostrand Avenue and Avenue H

            While I do my grocery shopping at a combination of Stop & Shop and Silver Star, I also buy at Target when I am there – much cheaper too
            .

          • levp

            I didn’t know there was a Target there, point taken. I stand by the rest of my post, though.

          • 1989 MCI TC40-102A

            There is a Target at Flatbush Avenue station.

      • Jal5503

        I see shuttered stores now….Worthless stores line Nostrand And Sheeepsaid Bay Road…Silver Star is the ONLY reason to spend money on the ave…Perrys doesnt count as it has no product except if you count a meal as a product for sale. Overpriced Jewelry and SHLOCK….Thats what your afraid of ???? Walmart sells SONY, LG, Panasonic as well as Hanes & Fruit Of The Loom..at a discount. Why not pat Rite Aid, CVS & Duane Reede double the price that Walmart charges for National Brand Shampoo, OTC Drugs like Tylenol.
        Get Real Lisanne….stop the paranoia…The NEIGHBORHOOD I WAS BORN IN AND GREW UP IN IS DEAD, YET I STILL LIVE HERE.

        • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

          This is the neighborhood I was born and grew up in. My family was union, and I’ve held onto those values.

          This is NYC. Look around if you want to get a good value on a product. A Walmart bought product is not a good product at all, it is made at lower cost which means in very real terms that it is NOT the same item you would buy at a competing outlet. Even when the model or item number is the same.

          When Walmart manages to get enough of a market share to satisfy their craving (In some localities they have become the ONLY available retailer within a somewhat wide area) their prices on many items actually are higher than the greater market norm.

          Walmart achieved its position not through fair and intelligent marketing and planning. They did so by exploiting workers, intimidating suppliers and making promises to officials that were not kept. They have begun a snowball effect that has played a large part in the shrinking of the earning ability of the average American worker. The only way to compete with Walmart is to become LIKE Walmart. A number of companies chose not to, and they have become casualties of the Walmart steamroller.

          Walmart offers a carrot, the hand behind its back carries a club.

          • Jal5503

            A lot of words that say nothing new. Look at what you insist is the truth…”A Walmart bought product is not a good product” …. So are we to believe that $5.00 Advil at Rite Aid is BETTER than ADVIL bought at Walmart for $3.00 for the same product? Squibb makes special junk Advil for Walmart or is Rite Aid ripping us off along with CVS ?

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            First let’s not assume that the pharmaceuticals are paragons of ethical practice. Second, you’re assuming that Walmart has consistently lower prices in their areas. Third, the drug store chains are a plague themselves, but they do not have the ability to change an economic environment to the same degree as a Walmart.

          • levp

            For OTC medications, such as Advil, Brooklyn Costco would likely beat both CVS and Walmart (per-pill cost).
            To make it even better, Costco is a union store.

          • Jal5503

            store brands or ADVIL?

          • levp

            Advil(tm):

            Walmart
            http://www.walmart.com/ip/Advil-Liquid-Gel-160ct/10996718
            $14.98 / 160 = $0.0936 per capsule

            Costco
            http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=10036618&hierPath=589*775*1014*&whse=BC&topnav=&Browse=&lang=en-US
            $17.89 / 240 = $0.0745 per capsule

            $0.0936 > $0.0745

          • Anonymous

            So how is that a Bad thing? 3 dollars more and you get…… 80 more Advil pills…… Sounds like a REAL bargain right there.

            Think your Math is flawed, and your looking at it from a wrong perspective and anyone who liked that comment is as well.

            If you were looking it from a perspective where the person buying it has a BIG home with a lot of people living in it, with the constant flu’s, fevers, and random body pains people get now a days i’d say The price for the 240 is much better then the one from Walmart. If you were to buy it from Single person, then yea, that price is steep cause 1 person doesn’t need that much Advil.

          • levp

            That’s exactly my point! Costco delivers a better bargain (than Walmart).

            On Mon, 09 May 2011 09:00:38 -0400, Disqus

          • Anonymous

            O.o Agreed.

            You also forgot the Kirkland brand stuff too :)

        • nolastname

          No, it is not dead. There are still blocks of people who want to preserve the simplicity Sheepshead was acquainted with. Coming from someone who was born and raised, living in Park Slope in the 50;s and lived here for the next 50 years, from experience, if they are cluster shuttered the property the owner has plans.
          Like the take over of Coney Island, let it go to pot and then rise up for reconstruction and the big bucks.

          • Jal5503

            I have spent over 60 yrs in the Bay….My kids all went to local schools and still live in the area…..We are all UNION…..Walmart CAN unionize by following the laws. They have tried but VOTED DOWN the unions ( out of NY area) Not a smart move on their part. JMHO

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            They will not follow the spirit of the law. At best they will bring in a company union which is no union at all.

          • levp

            Seems that they would rather close the store than allow a union:
            http://money.cnn.com/2005/02/09/news/international/walmart_canada/
            NEW YORK (CNN/Money) – Wal-Mart is closing a store in Quebec that was closest to reaching a union contract after the retailer could not reach an agreement with the union representing workers there.

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            They take unions seriously in Quebec.

            Of course Walmart will do a spin about how unions cost workers jobs. OHMYYGOD! some minimum wage jobs were lost. Jobs which would have required Quebec to subsidize Walmart through public assistance so that Wal-Mart workers could eat and have a place to live. The void will be filled by a company that is willing to play by the rules.

            We should not submit to Walmart blackmail. They are not communities favor by being there, they are providing fairly for the support of their workers.

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            I love this.

            “It’s a deeply disappointing day for us,” Wal-Mart spokesman Andrew Pelletier told CNN. “The store in Jonquiere has been struggling for sometime economically, and in our view the union’s demands failed to take into account the fragile condition of the store.”

            Poor Walmart. Of course the workers must sacrifice for their losses. Conversely, why should workers have the ridiculous expectation that when Wal-Mart does well they would do well also?

            I like to see Andrew Pelletier try to survive on a store worker’s salary. Then again, if he worked for another company he’d be compensated better in his position than he is now. But perhaps he doesn’t have what it takes to make it anywhere else. Companies like Walmart can’t afford the best quality in their management. But companies like Wal-Mart don’t need to. The policies of exploitation and economic sabotage more than compensate.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643980010 Marie Friedman

          Once we were able to go to a bookstore and a children’s clothing store and LH Martin in the Pathmark shopping center. We had Cappys Shoes. What wonderful retail establishments do we have now? Apteka, 99 Cent, “Medical” Office, Apteka, 99 Cent, T-Mobile, Salvation Army – yes I cannot wait for my next “shopping” trip on the avenue.

  • Eminem

    i was in the walmart in Valley Stream. Lots of people shopping there. And don’t give me that bull that walmart doesnt have low prices. I saw those prices. The place wasn’t mobbed because of high prices. And, let’s put it this way, the people shopping there weren’t wealthy.

    I think the people of Brooklyn should vote with their purses. Walmart comes in. If people don’t like it, they won’t shop there. That’s how it used to be. Now special interest unions determine industry, along with some pseudo-intellectual liberal people. We pay higher prices to allow unions to contribute the extra money to Democratic politicians, who keep Walmart out. That’s the reality. That’s the NY cycle

    • levp

      1. Low prices: see my example of Advil above. Costco wins.

      2. What is your claim of “pseudo-intellectual” based on?

      3. Please re-read the article. We don’t get to know Mr. Barrison’s political orientation, as he is writing in his capacity as a small business owner:”Barrison is also the executive vice president of the Small Business Congress of New York City, a federation of more than 75 small-business associations”.

    • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

      Just curious: Where do the actual intellectual liberals stand?

  • Eminem

    By the way, I hope a high price store comes to Nostrand and Y, replacing Pathmark. I think 50,000 people in the neighborhood should pay high prices in order to employ 100 members of a union.

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

      So you would rather subsidize Wal-Mart through higher taxes, which will be needed to subsidize the wages of Walmart workers with public assistance benefits.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643980010 Marie Friedman

        They are either on public assistance now or working an equally low paying job in some local store everyone is afraid will close – and the down side is???????

        • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

          So the workers in the Stop and Shop are from a public assistance background?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643980010 Marie Friedman

            HUH??? How did we get to Stop & Shop?

            You mentioned needing to subsidize Walmart workers wages with public assistance money. How does Stop & Shop enter into that?

            I work in private industry at a non-union company – my choice to do so.

            People have the right to choose to work at Walmart or not. No one is forced to work for them. It seems that only pro-union people are worried about this. I am sure that there are many people who will be happy to just have a job.

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            Very simple. Their jobs are similar. But Stop and Shop has a union and Wal-Mart does not. The United Food and Commercial Workers represents part time as well as full-time workers at supermarket jobs like those in Stop and Shop.

            The idea that people will take a job that doesn’t pay a living wage is terrible indictment of our current status as a society. Companies like Walmart have REMOVED high paying jobs. This has a trickle down effect, as jobs are lost because a Wal-Mart has demand as a term of engagement with a supplier that they close American plant, the plant workers have to seek other employment. The pool of unemployed increases, and those lacking skills or experience are forced into taking the low paying jobs companies like Walmart offer. With a larger percentage of the population earning a low wage, the collective power of Americans is diminished. Companies seeking to maximize profits in a dimin
            ishing marketplace will lay off more workers. And the spiral continues to spin downwards.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643980010 Marie Friedman

      LOL You also noticed that this is really all about the unions :)

      Nothing really about Walmart and the low prices – as if low prices are a bad thing- only the union issue.

      I love how people were talking about maybe Whole Foods coming to Pathmark – really????? With their ridiculous prices? Is that why Food Basics is jammed all the time?
      Costco and BJs also – packed!

      • levp

        Re: Whole Foods – read this:
        http://michaelbluejay.com/misc/wholefoods.html

        So, no, I wouldn’t want Whole Foods here, either.
        I’m all for Costco, though – fair business practices, good prices, unionized workforce, etc.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643980010 Marie Friedman

      LOL You also noticed that this is really all about the unions :)

      Nothing really about Walmart and the low prices – as if low prices are a bad thing- only the union issue.

      I love how people were talking about maybe Whole Foods coming to Pathmark – really????? With their ridiculous prices? Is that why Food Basics is jammed all the time?
      Costco and BJs also – packed!

  • Eminem

    I love the phrase “Keep Walmart out of Brooklyn”. And I thought it was a free country. I thought any legal business could open. Now I hear that people of a certain thought can tell the community what business is allowed and what isn’t…. Then again, these are the same people who believe they can tell others what thoughts and opinions are “correct” and allowed to be expressed, and what aren’t.

    • levp

      You are absolutely entitled to have your thoughts and opinions. The fact that you posted this comment (and I read it) proves it.

      But what is legal is not always morally right. For example, it is absolutely legal for NYPD to issue you a citation for running a red light if your vehicle entered the intersection 0.001 seconds after the light changed. Please refer to the “speed cameras” thread for the rest of the argument.

      • Eminem

        I’m wondering what is wrong with ticketing .001 seconds after a red light. used to be a yellow light was a warning sign. Now it’s a sign to speed up! Maybe ticketing at .001 will stop such behavior. Thanks for pointing that out!

        As far as “morally right”, that’s a difficult decision re Walmart. Let’s say I grant you that small businesses are hurt, and employees are, just for argument sake. What if poor people are helped by cheap prices (and don’t tell me it’s not cheap, i’ve been there, AND seen poor people waiting on long lines). Who wins the “moral” argument. You know? I don’t know, to tell you the truth.l

        • levp

          Which means this will only make MORE poor people…

          On Mon, 09 May 2011 10:59:57 -0400, Disqus

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1643980010 Marie Friedman

            please explain how this will only make more poor people?

            where did being morally right come into this? it is ONLY about pro-union vs non-union – PERIOD!

            Think about how pro-union you feel next time the Transit Workers Union goes on strike and you are walking to work.

          • http://www.njluxurymotors.com Arthur Borko

            OH PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!! Transit Workers go on Strike! It’s just what I need!

          • levp

            First, I did support TWU during their last strike (I drove to Manhattan
            in lieu of walking).

            Second, as it was pointed out by me and others, Walmart is not just
            union vs. non-union. Vendor relations, employee relations, surrounding
            small businesses and so on. Please re-read the article for small
            business owners point of view – nothing to do with unions at all.

            Finally, Eminem wrote that it’s OK if small businesses close if poor
            people get to shop at Walmart. So, my point is that when these
            businesses close, their owners (and their families) will join those poor
            people shopping at Walmart…

  • B’klyn historian

    I remember the anger and fear when Pathmark announced it was building a shopping center on Hamilton Avenue alongside the Gowanus Canal. The Court Street merchants were in a panic; they feared a ghosttown in Carroll Gardens and Cobble Hill as the Pathmark would suck the economic oxygen out of the small shops. Hey Sparky that was about 1980; have you been to Court Street or Smith Street lately? Opponents of Wallmart should drop The Chicken Little routine and let the free market take its course. If unhappy exploited workers and junky products are all that a Walmart offer us, then we’ll catch on fast enought and Walmart will fail. But, maybe Walmart will bring good prices and jobs to Brooklyn, just like they say it will.

    • levp

      Pathmark:
      “As of January 2008, A&P operated 132 stores using the Pathmark banner in Delaware, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania.”
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathmark

      Walmart:
      “Walmart has 8,500 stores in 15 countries, under 55 different names. The company operates under its own name in the United States, including the 50 states. It also operates under its own name in Puerto Rico. It operates in Mexico as Walmex, in the United Kingdom as Asda, in Japan as Seiyu, and in India as Best Price. It has wholly owned operations in Argentina, Brazil, and Canada.”
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walmart

      So, Pathmark compared to Walmart – seriously?