The heat around a proposed barbecue ban on Manhattan Beach continued to intensify this week, this time at the Community Board 15 meeting. But the NYC Department of Parks and Recreation said they have no plans to halt one of America’s favorite pastimes.

Parks Department Brooklyn Commissioner Kevin Jeffrey listened intently to arguments for and against the ban at the Wednesday night meeting, but appeared unmoved by the opponents’ concerns. And, according to a statement from his office, no ban is likely in the near future.

“Commissioner Jeffrey has been in touch with the Community Board regarding their concerns,” a Parks Department spokesperson told Sheepshead Bites. “At this time there are no plans to eliminate barbecuing at Manhattan Beach.”

Manhattan Beach Neighborhood Association President Dr. Alan Ditchek, who also serves as vice chairperson on the Community Board, stood by his arguments that charcoal grilling at the beach carries pollution and health risks for the community’s residents.

But, while Jeffrey maintained a poker face, advocates in attendance made supportive statements to the commissioner.

Stan Kaplan, a Manhattan Beach resident and member of both the MBNA and Manhattan Beach Community Group, said that families gathering together to barbecue at Manhattan Beach keeps good order at the beach and should continue to go on. Another supporter demanded that Ditchek bring his evidence to a meeting, and said that his internet research yielded no definitive ties between charcoal barbecuing, pollution and illness.

But Ditchek kept to his guns, saying that the grouping together of grills in parks is different from backyard barbecues, and is more likely to have a damaging effect for residents nearby.

“If you have a concentration of 10, 15, or 20 barbecue grills, all the smoke adds to the air pollution, which is only deleterious to your health,” said Ditchek. “If you look at the studies you can see that cancers are caused by it, cardiac diseases, respiratory disease, and strokes.”

“When you concentrate a bunch of barbecue grills in one place and you have any kind of a breeze, those people –  not only the people barbecuing the food, but the people on the beach and the children in the playground – are certainly at a health risk,” he added.

Ditchek did not have the documentation stating this information and asked the audience to check for themselves when they asked to see some documentation at the next meeting.

“That information is on the internet you can look up numerous studies,” said Ditchek.

When he first proposed the ban, he said his conclusions were supported by an article from a recent issue of The Journal of the American Medical Association, which argues that air pollution – and concentrated particulate matter, especially – elevates a population’s risk of stroke. The study did not mention barbecuing, but discussed overall air pollution and specifically examined air quality in developing nations.

Measurements of particulate matter around the barbecuing areas in Manhattan Beach have never been made to see how much it affects air quality.

Ira Zalcman, president of the MBCG, which is often described as the MBNA’s “rival,” said Ditchek’s arguments are all smoke. According to Zalcman, no one has been able to find any documentation supporting such evidence and that the MBNA has a “history in wanting to privatize the beach.”

Zalcman believes the fight to ban barbecuing on the beach has much to do with racism and discrimination.

Before splitting from the MBCG to form the MBNA in 2007, the MBNA’s leadership “are the ones that proposed privatizing the beach and charging admission to Manhattan Beach, which is a public beach, and now they want to ban people from barbecuing… it’s kind of fishy,” said Zalcman. “I just don’t trust them.”

But MBNA spokesperson Edmond Dweck claims that banning barbecuing on Manhattan Beach is strictly for health concerns, and not meant to keep people out.

“God forbid, that was never our intention. These are just accusations that are being brought up only by the other group,” said Dweck. “Basically, it’s strictly health concern. We don’t want people not to come in, we don’t want people not to barbecue, but there are other ways of doing it.”

Dweck explained that barbecuing in a controlled environment would be less harmful to the people on the beach, including the children.

Currently, only seven Brooklyn parks permit barbecuing, and only one other in Southern Brooklyn – Kaiser Park in Coney Island. All of those parks limit barbecuing areas to small sections of the property. In Manhattan Beach, grilling is legally confined only to the section northeast of the promenade, next to the parking lot, and also near Hastings Street.

Many of the opponents suggested that beach-goers could bring their own portable propane grills – some of which cost hundreds of dollars. However, propane grilling is strictly forbidden in public parks.

Despite opposition from neighbors who use the grills, as well as the Parks Department’s statement that grilling will continue on Manhattan Beach, the MBNA appears to be regrouping and pushing forward in its fight to obtain a ban. Dr. Chaim Bernstein, the chief medical officer and chief of pulmonary diseases at Beth Israel Medical Center, has been invited to speak about health concerns and charcoal barbecuing at the group’s May 2 meeting.

Until then, the group will have to continue to fight off criticism that the barbecue ban is an exclusionary measure.

“It wouldn’t have been brought up by our president, who is a doctor, unless he had substantiated information. This has nothing to do with racism or elitism,” said Dweck.

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  • Faba

    Fantastic! Love it. Someone grill some chicken and feed snobby MB residents.

  • Footface

    On one side I can see the desire for a ban- there are plenty of lowlifes that who treat the beach like a garbage can, act like children/animals, and show a complete lack of decorum and respect (no beach barbecue is complete without beer, sitting on tables, unnecessarily loud music and the loutish behavior that comes with all that). On the other side the heavy handedness and outrageous bullshit claims of the residents is annoying enough that I would like to see them defeated also. So, who’s the bigger jerkoff? The raucous visitor or the whiny resident? Meh. I say they have a tug if war, and whoever wins gets to barbecue the loser, and be done with it.

  • http://twitter.com/Lostinservice Lostinservice

    “‘These are just accusations that are being brought up only by the other group,’ said Dweck.”

    Nope, they’re being brought up by everyone because you’re snobby cunts who want public property for yourself. If everything you did didn’t wasn’t motivated by isolationism, separatism, and xenophobia there wouldn’t be such accusations, but at the same time you wouldn’t be trying to eliminate public use of public property in the first place.

    Every time Manhattan Beach is brought up in an article there is someone who jokingly, half jokingly, or seriously brings up expanding KBCC into all of Manhattan Beach through eminent domain and it riles the libertarian in me. Since the first time I read that suggestion that feeling has dissipated because the people who make the strongest case for that course of action are the residents of Manhattan Beach, particularly the neighborhood associations, and how unbelievably undeserving they are of that area.

    • Anonymous

      Times have definatly changed. When my father was younger out whole family would go every sunday and barbeque on mahattan beach. Now I can’t step foot in it. It is so over crowded and dirty! It’s really a shame. I don’t agree with the banning, but i can understand why they would use that to deter some people from going to the beach.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

    This is almost as good as Ronald Reagan’s claim that trees cause pollution.

    What Dweck by a bunch of Ditcheks!

    (Sorry, I just couldn’t resist)

    • Brooklynq

      Trees do indeed cause some pollution. Read the latest research.

      • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

        You have to be careful about interpreting the significance of research. Normal tree growth patterns and circumstances will compensate for the creation of pollutants with pollution removing processes. Some of the VOCs released by trees have a positive effect on the environment, nullifying pollutants.

        • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

          And I forget the most obvious, the leaves of trees and plants absorb pollutants.

          Reagan’s claim, BTW was that trees cause more pollution than automobiles. Wildly off the mark.

          • Anonymous

            The above mentioned Brooklynq is not the real Brooklynq.

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

            I see. The troll is very clever, even stealing an avatar.

      • Anonymous

        Who area you?

  • http://www.njluxurymotors.com Arthur Borko

    Alright thats it, we need to go over there and have a grillout in a few more weeks. Us, the readers of Sheepshead Bites.

    I’ll bring Burgers, Buns, Cheese, Ketchup, Pickles, and Pepsi. Who’s with me? BrooklynQ? Lisanne?, nolastname, Faba? Shadowlock? Anyone? Ned, I know you can’t endorse it but you’ll come right?

    Lets grill up some food a nice Friday afternoon in a few weeks! We’ll show them!

    • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

      I’ve got nothing to do with it. And, I’ll point out, if you’re going to be silly enough to try and organize it in SBites’ comments, you’ll need to file for a special event permit ASAP: http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_permits_and_applications/events_faq.html

      • http://www.njluxurymotors.com Arthur Borko

        It says for 20 or more people. I don’t think that many people would come. But ya know what. If there are seriously 20 or more Readers that would be interested in this then I’ll see about filing for that permit.

        • Anonymous

          You could always organize two groups of 10.

          • Anonymous

            I’m in Arthur – I’ll bring charcoal and some wood for extra smoke. Cooking implements. Coolers too.

          • http://www.njluxurymotors.com Arthur Borko

            Sweeeeeeeeet. Is a Thursday or Friday ok?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=839675042 Holly Renee Reinhardt

            Make it a weekend! More people will be able to go. I would go if it were on a weekend, I have to work Thursdays and Fridays.