At their June 27 rally, mosque opponents targeted politicians for their silence on the issue. Now they respond.

Brooklyn Paper has a pair of updates on the mosque issue, fueled by the deluge of comments they received from their initial report.

First up, they got in touch with most of the politicians with districts located near the mosque, getting their reading of the situation. The verdict? Freedom of worship is a constitutional right, and any attempt to stop the mosque from being built is an invasion of that liberty.

Here’s the wrap-up:

  • Councilman Lew Fidler (D–Marine Park), who represents the eastern side of Voorhies Avenue, where the mosque would be built: “I’ve done what’s appropriate for a project that’s being built as-of-right and addressed all concerns that have been raised other than the offensive ones made by the people who will never be satisfied. I have made sure that [the builders] will comply with the law, but I do think some of the people opposing this are doing it for bigoted reasons. We really shouldn’t be painting an entire group of people with one broad brush.”
  • Councilman Mike Nelson (D–Midwood), whose district begins on the opposite side of the street: Could not be reached for comment.
  • State Sen. Carl Kruger (D–Mill Basin), who represents the eastern side of Voorhies Avenue, where the mosque would be built: “This is a house of worship and it can be built there, but at the same time, I understand the sensitivities of the affected community. I think we need to sit down some more and really air out the issues and concerns so we could come up with some kind of dialogue that makes sense.”
  • State Sen. Marty Golden (R–Bay Ridge), whose district begins on the opposite side of the street: “It’s very difficult. It’s their religious right to put up these individual mosques as one would put up a church or a synagogue and it’s difficult to stop it. That’s what the Constitution is based on.”
  • Assemblywoman Helene Weinstein (D–Midwood), whose district includes the mosque: “I’ve been a strong supporter of everyone’s ability to exercise their [sic] religious rights, whether it’s been the construction of a synagogue or a church expansion. Freedom of religion is a fundamental part of our Constitution. I am concerned about some of the inflammatory speech on this issue, but people can sometimes be afraid of what they do not know.”

Of course, it’s interesting to note that Fidler is the only one to address the zoning issues that have been brought up, pointing out that it’s as-of-right and there’s not much more he can do than make sure they follow the law.

And with that, Fidler stood out from the pack for acknowledging the segmentation of the opposition. Good on you, councilman.

The others, though, appear to be distanced from the situation and buying the mainstream hype that all the mosque’s critics are just bigots. Perhaps they should take some of Fidler’s advice: “We really shouldn’t be painting an entire group of people with one broad brush.”

That being said, I’m getting tired of those critics – both factions. The bigots, of course, I never made much time for anyway. A mosque in any mixed neighborhood in this country would draw out the idiots and the racists. But those who oppose the establishment on zoning issues have failed to condemn – publicly and unambiguously – the racist and inflammatory statements, and that’s been to their detriment.

It’s that failure to react that has allowed the media to depict the entire “movement” as racists, bigots and hate-mongers. But worse, they’ve allowed the entire neighborhood to be painted with that brush.

But then, who can blame them? Even the racists are a little squirmy, making them hard to peg down. For instance, the former Israeli soldier who told the Brooklyn Paper he’d bomb the mosque if it’s built is now running from his statement.

After reading his own words in our article last week about the heated protest against the house of worship, the bomber called us and altered his statement.

“I don’t care [about the mosque],” said the man, who again refused to divulge his name. “If they build it, I will just sell my home and move.”

He blamed “personal problems” for his vitriol.

All it took was a visit from the NYPD’s Joint Terrorism Task Force to get him to wise up. Still, if there’s been anything so far to convince me that there should be a mosque on that block, it’s to get this sociopath to move out of the neighborhood.

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  • nik

    I am concerned about parking and outdoor space and how it would affect the mosque itself. Most houses of worship need space besides the building itself.

  • Abu Aymen

    Of course, majority are with freedom of religion,
    Thanks to the officials and thanks to the LAW….

    The mosque will be built like other places of worships around the community….
    We need a place of worship instead of traveling all over the city for services…..

    again it’s waste of time waste of money to oppose it….

    Salams!

  • Tim in the bay

    The people we have elected, do not want to help the residents of Sheepshead Bay.
    The issue is not to stop the building of a Mosque.
    Just build the Mosque in a better location.
    Away from a residential area and not on a block between single family homes.
    And in these statements they have made…
    We have been called, bigoted, offensive, afraid, inflammatory.
    And don't quote the Constitution unless you have read and understand it.
    What about the people who want to force the Mosque on us? What do they call them?
    Our representatives need to read the “Bay People” website… Stating “Be Polite and Tolerant”.

  • Abu Aymen

    Mr. Tim, No one is forcing the mosque on “YOU” it is the need of it… People need a place of worship like any others, need a residential place in a residential area not in the Beach… or I think you mean by” Better location” ,, where else ,, all the area in Sheepshead Bay is residential, either mix with other use or just Resientail…

    The place is bought, designed and will be permitted in these 2 months…. what are you talking about,,
    It is not something we are trying to buy or to convert,
    It is a done deal… no will back up for a right…

    And elected officials fully know that.. and they are helping people of sheepshead Bay… Unless you are isolated us as Muslims ( is that a discrimination or not)

    By increasing others right and by trying to unite everyone,, not to create divisions and hate among each other.. that itself is helping the community by the officials

  • Bugg

    If you bought on a block with a house of wrohsip there, you know that going in. But I wouldn't want a church or a mosque or a temple to move in to my block. Lived for a while across from a temple and it was awful. People doubleparked like it was no big deal, no matter when I had to go to work. Parking was often impossible on high holy days.

    Further though, painting people who fear Islam as racist is really obnoxious. South Boklyn lost many people on 9/11.My best friend in 6th grade…guys I played Hurricanes with…a dear frine… several clients…all gone on a Tuesday morning because of Muslim fanatics. Do you people have any decency, or sensitivity? Instead you use our pluralism to force this PC nonsense that “Islam is peace”. We know; you want to turn America into a sharia country. Tell us otherwise. But you won't do that.

    The 1993 bombers, some of the 9/11 bombers and the Atlantic Avenue bombers(who's plot was defeated only because one of them got cold feet and ran into a rookie cop!) all worshipped at tha Mecca of hate mosque on the corner of Atlantic and 3rd Avenue. It's still there spewing hate. Will you Muslims ever condemn that place and those attacks? Or will you continue to hem and haw and try to change the subject? Your choice.

    Muslims in this area are setting up a seperate community rather than integrating. And they haven't shown for a second that they want to be Americans. Because there's nothing herein above that constitutes “unity”. It's simply “GIVE ME” sense of entitlement coupled with calling your opponents racist. That's getting really old.

  • Good Evening America

    The world is changing and we are increasing,, 100,000 Muslim students in NYC… We need a place for us, for our kids,,,,

    Do not tell me this BS,, that we are trying to establish Shraia,, in the US,,
    My friend we are only 8 Million in this nation since it started,,, and you do the math,,

    TO change something is not easy,, as you are misleading people with,

    we are here to practice our rights not to establish non-sense of what you have wrote….

    9.11 effected us, effected everyone… I have lost 3 best friends I know Americans, ,, Muslims and nun Muslims…
    we still suffer from this mentality and from these people ( terrorists) ,,, Bad of us, every single day back home.. They are killing our kids, our elderly . Look at Iraq,, look at My own Country Yemen,, Qaida are spreading and killing their own people.. so it is a group of people who are trying to destroy lives,, regardless the backgrounds,,,,,

    do not include everyone to be terrorists,,

    you

    are

    wrong…

    you

    have to

    differentiate..

    we , as New Yorkers are secure enough, ,,, I think you read the news,,,, we are here to live,, My friend,,,

    “Muslims in this area are setting up a separate community rather than integrating”

    what makes you said that.. We have Police Officers, Solders, City Workers, Professionals, and business owners,, Muslims Teachers at PS 52 .. ETC….
    We are fully integrated with the community… Unless you are not integrated so you do not see that..

    I have no clue why you are saying so, !!!!!

    Last not least,,

    We have right and we believe in it, and in this great country…

    Salams,

  • Freedomofspeech

    Abu,
    I've been reading your comments for a long time and all I read in them is HATE that you promote NOT unity. All I read from you that “It is a done deal and nothing can be done about it” on every comment you post. Do you think kids hearing you pray across the street from school is not discriminating or that loud pray at 5 am is pleasant for people who will be living next door to mosque.
    All I hear from you are HATEFUL remarks and that you are trying to pursuant that every person who says something against mosque is a racist. What about freedom of speech and people who care about their right.
    YOU ARE A HATEFUL PERSON AND YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS A BIGOT!

  • Bugg

    “Bad of us, every single day back home”

    Well then, where is your home? Is it here in America, or in Yemen?

    I know when my maternal granparents and in laws left Leitrim and Belfast, or my paternal grandfather left Montreal, America was home. They might have went back from time to time, but America was home. All made a very cosncious decision to embrace this hesitation condemning murderous terrorism.

    “TO change something is not easy” to change what exactly-the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to be trashed for the Koran?

    Your children, if they wish to really become Americans and embrace it's ideals, will have place here. But if you want to set up something apart and hostile, which is all you Muslims have done thus far, you should go back HOME as you so describe it.

  • Bugg

    One other thing, Abu-who is WE to you-Americans or Muslims?And yet you claim to be about unity.

  • Abu Aymen

    Americans !!! read above,,

  • Abu Aymen

    Good Evening AMerica,,,

    I think stop commenting on Mr/Ms Bugg,,

    he is out of his/her mind…..

    In fact you can have 2 homes,,,, am I right …. ???

    But you know what,,, I just chose to have this great nation my own home. as it is .. Good Evening America,,

    “Good Morning America”…abc

    have a good day all,,,

  • Abu Aymen

    My friend,, if you really read my comments ,, as you said,,
    I'm saying SOME of the opposition,,
    I always say that and that exist,,

    yes there are concerns and we recognize them fully,, in the mean time,, our rights to be recognized… too !!! and t hen we can come to a common solutions that we are calling for….

    I am not the only person who said opposition was built on hate .. Believe me, I knew that first time in daily News, and Bay News, Also I just read a threat on Brooklyn Paper,,

    what do you call that threat??? please answer..

    Opposition is valid,, But the approach is not,, which everyone is talking about it…

    Again,, There are some people among the opponents,,,, are treating Muslims as
    bad and are full of hate against hate..

    By the way If I have hate I should leave this place ,,,, and I think haters to stay away from lovers….

    You can say,, I do not like that, I disagree with that,,,
    and that is the beauty of the discussions,,
    But to hate group of people and come out to protest is not the right thing to do even though Freedom of speech that I believe in….

    And so what if I say done deal,, does that heart yoy,,

    then It is a done deal,,,,

    and people are wasting time and effort,, I did not say you cannot do it as my friends are saying to their Muslims Neighbors. ,,,

    Have a good summer my Neighbor.

  • Abu Aymen

    Mr. Tim, No one is forcing the mosque on “YOU” it is the need of it… People need a place of worship like any others, need a residential place in a residential area not in the Beach… or I think you mean by” Better location” ,, where else ,, all the area in Sheepshead Bay is residential, either mix with other use or just Resientail…

    The place is bought, designed and will be permitted in these 2 months…. what are you talking about,,
    It is not something we are trying to buy or to convert,
    It is a done deal… no will back up for a right…

    And elected officials fully know that.. and they are helping people of sheepshead Bay… Unless you are isolated us as Muslims ( is that a discrimination or not)

    By increasing others right and by trying to unite everyone,, not to create divisions and hate among each other.. that itself is helping the community by the officials

  • Bugg

    If you bought on a block with a house of wrohsip there, you know that going in. But I wouldn't want a church or a mosque or a temple to move in to my block. Lived for a while across from a temple and it was awful. People doubleparked like it was no big deal, no matter when I had to go to work. Parking was often impossible on high holy days.

    Further though, painting people who fear Islam as racist is really obnoxious. South Boklyn lost many people on 9/11.My best friend in 6th grade…guys I played Hurricanes with…a dear frine… several clients…all gone on a Tuesday morning because of Muslim fanatics. Do you people have any decency, or sensitivity? Instead you use our pluralism to force this PC nonsense that “Islam is peace”. We know; you want to turn America into a sharia country. Tell us otherwise. But you won't do that.

    The 1993 bombers, some of the 9/11 bombers and the Atlantic Avenue bombers(who's plot was defeated only because one of them got cold feet and ran into a rookie cop!) all worshipped at tha Mecca of hate mosque on the corner of Atlantic and 3rd Avenue. It's still there spewing hate. Will you Muslims ever condemn that place and those attacks? Or will you continue to hem and haw and try to change the subject? Your choice.

    Muslims in this area are setting up a seperate community rather than integrating. And they haven't shown for a second that they want to be Americans. Because there's nothing herein above that constitutes “unity”. It's simply “GIVE ME” sense of entitlement coupled with calling your opponents racist. That's getting really old.

  • Good Evening America

    The world is changing and we are increasing,, 100,000 Muslim students in NYC… We need a place for us, for our kids,,,,

    Do not tell me this BS,, that we are trying to establish Shraia,, in the US,,
    My friend we are only 8 Million in this nation since it started,,, and you do the math,,

    TO change something is not easy,, as you are misleading people with,

    we are here to practice our rights not to establish non-sense of what you have wrote….

    9.11 effected us, effected everyone… I have lost 3 best friends I know Americans, ,, Muslims and nun Muslims…
    we still suffer from this mentality and from these people ( terrorists) ,,, Bad of us, every single day back home.. They are killing our kids, our elderly . Look at Iraq,, look at My own Country Yemen,, Qaida are spreading and killing their own people.. so it is a group of people who are trying to destroy lives,, regardless the backgrounds,,,,,

    do not include everyone to be terrorists,,

    you

    are

    wrong…

    you

    have to

    differentiate..

    we , as New Yorkers are secure enough, ,,, I think you read the news,,,, we are here to live,, My friend,,,

    “Muslims in this area are setting up a separate community rather than integrating”

    what makes you said that.. We have Police Officers, Solders, City Workers, Professionals, and business owners,, Muslims Teachers at PS 52 .. ETC….
    We are fully integrated with the community… Unless you are not integrated so you do not see that..

    I have no clue why you are saying so, !!!!!

    Last not least,,

    We have right and we believe in it, and in this great country…

    Salams,

  • Freedomofspeech

    Abu,
    I've been reading your comments for a long time and all I read in them is HATE that you promote NOT unity. All I read from you that “It is a done deal and nothing can be done about it” on every comment you post. Do you think kids hearing you pray across the street from school is not discriminating or that loud pray at 5 am is pleasant for people who will be living next door to mosque.
    All I hear from you are HATEFUL remarks and that you are trying to pursuant that every person who says something against mosque is a racist. What about freedom of speech and people who care about their right.
    YOU ARE A HATEFUL PERSON AND YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS A BIGOT!

  • Bugg

    “Bad of us, every single day back home”

    Well then, where is your home? Is it here in America, or in Yemen?

    I know when my maternal granparents and in laws left Leitrim and Belfast, or my paternal grandfather left Montreal, America was home. They might have went back from time to time, but America was home. All made a very cosncious decision to embrace this hesitation condemning murderous terrorism.

    “TO change something is not easy” to change what exactly-the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to be trashed for the Koran?

    Your children, if they wish to really become Americans and embrace it's ideals, will have place here. But if you want to set up something apart and hostile, which is all you Muslims have done thus far, you should go back HOME as you so describe it.

  • Bugg

    One other thing, Abu-who is WE to you-Americans or Muslims?And yet you claim to be about unity.

  • Abu Aymen

    Americans !!! read above,,

  • Abu Aymen

    Good Evening AMerica,,,

    I think stop commenting on Mr/Ms Bugg,,

    he is out of his/her mind…..

    In fact you can have 2 homes,,,, am I right …. ???

    But you know what,,, I just chose to have this great nation my own home. as it is .. Good Evening America,,

    “Good Morning America”…abc

    have a good day all,,,

  • Abu Aymen

    My friend,, if you really read my comments ,, as you said,,
    I'm saying SOME of the opposition,,
    I always say that and that exist,,

    yes there are concerns and we recognize them fully,, in the mean time,, our rights to be recognized… too !!! and t hen we can come to a common solutions that we are calling for….

    I am not the only person who said opposition was built on hate .. Believe me, I knew that first time in daily News, and Bay News, Also I just read a threat on Brooklyn Paper,,

    what do you call that threat??? please answer..

    Opposition is valid,, But the approach is not,, which everyone is talking about it…

    Again,, There are some people among the opponents,,,, are treating Muslims as
    bad and are full of hate against hate..

    By the way If I have hate I should leave this place ,,,, and I think haters to stay away from lovers….

    You can say,, I do not like that, I disagree with that,,,
    and that is the beauty of the discussions,,
    But to hate group of people and come out to protest is not the right thing to do even though Freedom of speech that I believe in….

    And so what if I say done deal,, does that heart yoy,,

    then It is a done deal,,,,

    and people are wasting time and effort,, I did not say you cannot do it as my friends are saying to their Muslims Neighbors. ,,,

    Have a good summer my Neighbor.

  • BMB

    “To prohibit, then, the erection of synagogues out of fear that these may endanger the established religion of the country, was nothing less than ascribing to those innocent walls of wood and stone such marvelous powers of conversion as even the most superstitious of our brethren could never have credited. It is refreshing to turn from these antiquated follies of past ages to the now enlightened views of the present day… that the durability of a creed must be looked for in the conscientious convictions of its professors and not in the forcible suppression of other religious societies.”

    - Address of Rev. A Fischel, on the occasion of the laying of the cornerstone for the new Synagogue of Sheirath Israel, July 12, 1859

    (Leaving aside zoning, noise and similar issues) A mosque is wood and plasterboard and paint. Wood doesn't threaten America. Plasterboard can't convert your children. Paint doesn't determine anyone's values or ideals.

    As the above quote shows, fears of a new house of worship and the new community that comes with it are not novel. Many of our ancestors were similarly feared and judged at some point. This is a building, no more no less. And a building in and of itself, is generally of minimal threat to you.

    The durability of our American values and creed is NOT going to be found in the suppression of another religion or belief system. I like to think our values are not so weak or easily threatened. The durability of our values will be found in our conscientious convictions and their own inherent quality. Let's not abandon or debase our own values, over an arrangement of wood, plasterboard and paint.

  • Good Morning America.

    Frirst of all,

    Why you took my user name,,,,, Good Morning America”

    Second,, I really thank the officials for their effort to keep the boat moving for Muslims and any other groups that might get impacted by Discrimination from Some.

    Third, This our country and home, we live in it, we work at it, we part of it and it is part of us…

    Fourth, Stop exchanging words that have no sense, either you, or Bugg, it is not a good thing to do. Stay calm and everyone will have right at each party.. itis just a matter of communication..
    Muslims have right as a group to practice their religion, and people against it has a right to talk and express their concerns without any anger that may lead to hate and discrimination..

    later all.

  • Bugg

    “We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an
    American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.

    But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn't doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people.”

    President Theodore Roosevelt

  • BMB

    The mosque supporters, tho I don't think I know any personally, have seemed pretty damn American to me. Holding American flags on the peace walk, putting American flags up at the empty lot, gathering with people of other faith in unity. All that seems pretty American to me.

    Just because a Hindu wanted to pray in his own temple or a Catholic enjoyed seeking her Bishop's advice, does not mean they're separated or divided. Wanting to practice your own religion does not mean you are not assimilating. Nobody is trying to create a separate Muslim enclave here. The Muslims in Sheepshead Bay are trying (or maybe already have) to integrate – it's the rest of us who are trying to keep them from doing so, not them.

  • Tim in the bay

    Wow, this is great.
    Sure some of the replies are a little tense.
    We are all trying to understand each other.
    We show respect making our point.
    Let's keep working together here in Sheepshead Bay.
    Lead by example as a entire community.
    This is what the United States of America is all about.
    Thank you “Sheepshead Bites”.
    May everyone's God bless all of us….

  • Guest

    This is completely utter bull. If you've been an actual immigrant, you will know how impossible this is. Americans do not welcome immigrants with open arms. Therefore you see all these enclaves of all immigrants in different parts of Brooklyn. Every so often you may see a brave family going into a neighborhood that does not have anyone that is from their home country but that is not the norm. Usually it takes a few generations for families to completely assimilate. Assimilation is not an on/off switch which causes people to change over night.

    If the above quote were actually enforced, there would never have beeb any Americans in this world.

  • abu Aymen

    Mr. Tim. I am with you 100%…

    We should,
    Bests.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

    In 1924 a restrictive immigration act was passed. The American people, after 40 years of seeing large numbers of people come to the United States, decided to shut the door. The “failure” of large numbers of immigrants to “melt” into American society, coupled with the fact that many of the leaders of progressive movements were immigrants, led to a perception that they were trying to “take over” our society. After a number of letter bombs were sent to public officials and the capitalist icons such as Morgan, and a street bomb terrorized Wall Street, the government started deporting so-called undesirables. The 1921 Emergency Quota Act was the cumulation of the build-up of anti immigrant feeling. Roosevelt was parroting the populist thinking of the times. My guess is that he wrote this after his presidency, most likely in 1917, when anti-immigration feeling was starting to peak.

  • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

    No matter how much things change, the song remains the same, eh Lisanne?

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

    Everything is a circle.

  • pink piggy

    i’d happier seeing pig farm next to my house then a mosque, if i lived around the area

  • Guest

    Sad that such a beautiful neighborhood will be ruined just look at what happened to Neptune Avenue and Bay Ridge. Eventually it will become dirty and rundown just like everywhere else where Muslims live.

  • arizona immigration law

    arizona immigration law for new york

  • Abu Aymen

    LOL

  • JOAN

    THANK YOU, YOU SAID IT ALL

  • JOAN

    YOU ARE VERY WRONG, I LIVE IN SB AND WHEN I SEE SO MANY VIELED WOMAN I TRY TO BE FRIENDLY BUT THEY ARE NOT INTERESTED. THEY CERTAINLY DONT LOOK AMERICAN, ACTUALLY THEY DONT LOOK, AND YOU DO NOT SEE WHO THEY MAY BE UNDER THEIR VIEL. WHEN MY ANCESTORS CAME TO THIS COUNTRY MANY YEARS AGO THEY TRIED TO BLEND IN AND BE AN AMERICAN, BUT NOT SO I GUESS WITH THESE MODERN MULSLIM WOMAN WHO KNOW HOW TO MAKE MANY BABIES, ETC, ETC.

  • PayPaul

    I do love it how these same people who are using zoning issues as a disguise for their latent racism fail to oppose all the exceptions made for condos to be built. The issue of zoning is a red herring to make them appear legitimate. Some of them are being blatant in their racism and that goes against those who don't wish to reveal their own because they know it would never wash with the body politic. If they were serious about zoning tell me when they've ever opposed seriously a condo development in this neighborhood. If they even opposed one it doesn't make up for the dozens that have gone up in Sheepshead Bay causing the very kind of traffic and population concentration problems they espouse to be against with regards to the mosque.

    • Mike

      But it’s also a red herring when it’s used by the Left to prevent Wal-Mart and other businesses from being built. Yes, it’s always a red herring. But let’s not fake outrage when the other side is doing the same thing that you are perfectly content to allow on your side.

  • Alknowles

    It doesn't matter what you believe or what you are. People are so much different now than years ago. It's sad to say that everyone isn't as friendly/social/naive as years ago. It's sad enough that you need to lock things up in your own yard or it might get taken.

    There are many areas in NYC where English is the foreign language. It's what makes NYC doomed. Having lived in Borough Park for a few years, I cried that I heard Hebrew on the corner, or if I went down towards Sunset Park, that I heard Chinese or Spanish. It is annoying when you have those who live in a foreign land and refuse to assimilate. When you move to a country, you better arrive speaking fluently, and immediately dropping whatever customs and beliefs at the border. If you couldnt tell this paragraph was written with much sarcasm.

    Should everyone just segregate into separate neighborhoods? This will let everyone be happy since then people can build as many community centers to serve their own people. In fact, let's have a bus line and subway line that only encircles these newly formed neighborhoods.

    Do people need to blend in? No, if they come here and become citizens, as long as they are truthful in upholding the laws of this country, then there shouldn't be a problem. It should matter little on what people do/say/believe as long as they follow the oath they take when they naturalize.

  • Lilly

    Joan, I can tell you're angry. I'm on neither side of the fence, but I have to say- not every American is “friendly” or will be interested in your friendship- actually, outside of suburbia, people are usually suspicious when you try to be friendly out of the blue! Because America is a unique experience, you'll no longer find people using the term “melting pot”, but rather, the phrase “salad bowl” is now used- because people should be allowed to choose whether or not they assimilate (though they should integrate). As for women making babies, I seem to recall that the Amish, the Mormons and many other groups make many babies as well- that's a personal choice that no one should attack.

  • Good Morning America

    Joan,

    WE as Muslims need to have these places like this one in SB to be more integrated on the society as Alknowles said. It is a need to elevate the whole society to be as close to the Americans with the preservation of the eastern culture to some extends, as many argues that..

    The point here is to educate people and have them understand better and then everything will follow.. ,

    It is sad to see people trying to make the community better and others trying to oppose to something that will increase the better life, and all Americans, in away or another…

    Regarding babies, I think ever one is making babies and I think with all my respect, JEws are the high everage of making babies,, which is great thing to delever a new born to develp this world. Lets have the earth filled with Humans ..
    i think we all exist and others to folllow us, does it make sens?

  • Good Morning America

    Exactly,,

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

    yes, and those darn Amish have taken over this country.