Construction Begins On Old Tre Fratelli Lot


by on Jul 8th, 2010

A three-story building will soon be erected at 2409 Avenue Z, the original location of Tre Fratelli Deli. Some time in mid-June, the developer, 2409 Ave Z, LLC, tore down the existing structure to make way for the new mixed-use building.

Here’s what it used to look like:

According to Department of Buildings records, the new 33-foot-tall building will have 8,631 square feet of space, split between residential use (7,621 sq. ft.) and the ever-present “community facility,” (1,010 sq. ft.), a term rarely used to actually indicate a facility for community use, just a space they label as such to get a greater floor-area ratio (FAR).

A variance issued to the developer in 2007 gave permission to construct the triangular building with a 22-foot-wide curb cut for three cars (a curb cut no larger than 15 feet, and space for five cars are required under zoning law). The new construction will have five residential units, according to the variance documents. You can see the proposed layout here.

The demolition of the building raised complaints from a neighbor, who said they weren’t notified of the work and the shaking was causing potentially unsafe conditions in the adjacent building. They were issued no violations.

Good, bad, amazing, destructive? Your thoughts?

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  • Jamesforsyth

    A “community facility” is just another term for commercial space which they normally trot out for some sort of medical use.

  • brooklynq

    It's going to be another piece of shit building that adds nothing to the neighborhood.

  • http://www.nedberke.com Ned Berke

    To be fair – did the existing building really add much to the neighborhood? My main concern is the lack of parking. I'm guessing these will be marketed as “luxury” units, and lived in by the kind of people that like to own AT LEAST one car, often more. Yet there are only three spots, and the expanded curb cut eats up yet another public space. Harumph…

  • brooklynq

    You're right. The old building didn't add much to the neighborhood, but it was built in a scale and style compatible with the neighborhood. I think that right now there are two apartments in the building and some commercial space. And it had some green space in the back.

    All of that will be gone with the new building.

  • Guest

    But what about the B36 bus stop that's pretty much in front of the place?

  • Abu Aymen

    as long as they have money,, it is ok,,

    People are increasing and need space to live at…
    think about it,,,

    It will make the neighborhood new,look I call that,, refreshing to the existing building” look at the existing building before demo,, looks bad…

    It will create jobs,,,

    It will benefit the community ,,, medical, or anything for community facility…..

    they will pay more taxes… that is great…

    and more..
    Yeh parking is an issue,(EVERY WHERE) , but in the future I think oil will be gone and people will use better technology to commute, who knows???

  • Abu

    they have permits for MTA to relocate or preserve it safely sometimes…….

  • brooklynq

    You're right. The old building didn't add much to the neighborhood, but it was built in a scale and style compatible with the neighborhood. I think that right now there are two apartments in the building and some commercial space. And it had some green space in the back.

    All of that will be gone with the new building.

  • Guest

    But what about the B36 bus stop that's pretty much in front of the place?

  • Abu Aymen

    as long as they have money,, it is ok,,

    People are increasing and need space to live at…
    think about it,,,

    It will make the neighborhood new,look I call that,, refreshing to the existing building” look at the existing building before demo,, looks bad…

    It will create jobs,,,

    It will benefit the community ,,, medical, or anything for community facility…..

    they will pay more taxes… that is great…

    and more..
    Yeh parking is an issue,(EVERY WHERE) , but in the future I think oil will be gone and people will use better technology to commute, who knows???

  • Abu

    they have permits for MTA to relocate or preserve it safely sometimes…….

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

    33 feet is high. But they would have never built on such a small lot otherwise. (Remember that the property itself is triangular, the northern border follows the old line of Jerome Avenue)

    Things were different in the past when real estate was less outrageously valued.

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  • Cabbie

    This is NOT going to be good for the neighborhood. The intersection at Bedford and Z still had a great “small town feel” to it that will be gone forever. These developers only care about $ and should stay out of Sheepshead Bay – but realistically, it is a ZONING issue, and nothing can be done about THAT (as history has shown) because of all the corrupt politicians and their cronies.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001 Lisanne!

    Apparently we live in an urban area now. A lot of the current residents here couldn't care less about the aesthetics of the neighborhood.

  • applegreen

    change and progress is inevitable. its part of life. and while yes, its losing its small town appeal, this is brooklyn, part of NYC. if u want small town feel move to bumble fuck south dakota.

  • applegreen

    even though, i will miss tre fratelli, my childhood weekends were spent there with my grandparents, i honestly think that at least half of brooklyn should be torn down and replaced with newer buildings. the old building that housed tre fratelli deli was ugly. my only issue with the new building will be that, it will also not add anything to the hood and will stick out like a sore thumb in a suburban looking area of sheepshead bay.

  • Lou

    im glad to see that old dump taken down. a few weeks ago it had rat poison signs up all over. atleast it will freshen up the neighborhood. i doubt parking is an issue also. every house in the blocks sorrounding have driveways, was never an issue.

  • ChrisSINY721

    The owners are being sued by suppliers and contractors because they don’t pay their bills. Just more foreigners getting rich from American real estate while screwing small neighborhood businesses.