Comments on: SBites Presents: The Rants Of A Livery Cab Driver

By: bb

bb — Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:50:11 +0000

i walk by there a lot. i’ve seen fights almost break out. The guy in front doesn’t want to make the right, he intends to go straight. The people behind him want to make the right. Of course, they can’t wait a minute, their life depends on making that right-on-red, so they honk horns. I’ve seen a few actually get out of their car!

By: Lisanne!

Lisanne! — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:16:19 +0000

The bridge over Sheepshead Bay was originally over Ocean Avenue and ran straight. It was rebuilt one block to the west in 1938.

Ocean Avenue still does continue on the Manhattan Beah side between Exeter and Falmouth.

By: Chuck

Chuck — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:31:48 +0000

Lisanne, in the photo, I see from ocean ave all the way to orential blvd or shore blvd? is that correct? Was this changed from the original plans? or am I too young to even know about this.

By: Lisanne!

Lisanne! — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:46:33 +0000

I meant “spread out”

Ned, when will we see a post-edit feature?

By: Lisanne!

Lisanne! — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:45:20 +0000

I’d never consider the driving behaviors of Utahans to be consistent with that of natives of other states. (spell check says I’m right-it’s Utahans) Everything is more spread there, street planning is more modern, and Mormons don’t drive drunk.

By: local broker

local broker — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:19:39 +0000

the faster you go the safer it is.
http://autos.aol.com/article/utah-speed-limit-tests

By: Arthur B

Arthur B — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:00:50 +0000

Good pointing that fact out everyone. I competly forgot to mention that there SHOULD BE a right turn lane there.

That intersection gets pretty crowded and confusing because it has so many different streets pouring into it.

Neptune, Guilder, East 12th and the East 12th Bridge, and any traffic turning right from Brighton 10th. Not more then 40 feet before the intersection you’ve got cars turning left to get to the Bridge also.

@Lev: Actually I think we need more Right Turn on Red locations in the city. It’s one thing to slow down traffic for safety. Its another to needlessly waste peoples time.

Anyway, DOT should take a long hard look at this intersection. At they very least remove the School Day part and replace it with Monday – Friday, period.

By: local broker

local broker — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:14:05 +0000

no, the right lane is not a turning only lane even though it should be. and there is no reason not to have turn on red sign where it makes sense. if there is no cross traffic then why not have them. 2 reasons people honk at this stop is most dont read the sign fully and 2nd is the lane should be a turning lane so when you can turn on red there arent cars in that lane that arent turning. i dont think that turning on red where permitted causes alot of accidents. these signs are in places where there is no cross traffic. i have been living around the corner from this intersection most of my life and really the cross walk you see in the picture is hardly ever used by pedestrians. the cross walk used more often is at the light going towards the east 12th bridge. oh and new york is one of the only places where you cant turn on red most states allow this unless there is a sign that says you cant. with so many people in a hurry they are just trying to slow us down.

By: Lisanne!

Lisanne! — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:03:52 +0000

But wait, students should be crossing on the red.

By: Lisanne!

Lisanne! — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:01:59 +0000

So is Arthur going to have a permanent column with this title?

This intersection has never been a favorite as mine as a pedestrian. When I was young I avoided it whenever possible. I don’t remember that sign being there 40 years ago and cars constantly made fast right turns onto Cass. There’s also a tricky left turn for cars coming off Cass onto the west bound lanes of Neptune.

Cass Place was a pretty bad idea. It wasn’t part of the original street plan for that area. I suppose that automoblists wanted to get to Manhattan Beach in a more direct way, and so it was changed.

These were the original plans for the area.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lisanne001/4080551583/

I’m quite sure this crossing has given DOT numerous headaches. There’s no easy solution. Schools hold summer sessions as well.