There is a place on Coney Island Avenue that provides “Debt Settlement Services”. I don’t know the company, and I don’t know the people who run the company. But I would imagine the business model of the company and the like goes something like this: “If you’re in credit card debt over $5,000, call us and we can negotiate with your creditors and save you THOUSANDS in interest and late payment fees.” I can guarantee that within the next few years, the neighborhood will be inundated with even more places like it. Again, I am stressing that I don’t know the people who run this place. What I can tell you, in my opinion, is that debt settlement as a business model is a complete and utter ripoff that has caused people to lose millions of dollars – and they usually have absolutely nothing to show for it.

First thing’s first. Lets deal with the elephant in the room. My main practice, along with real estate, is bankruptcy. Business, unfortunately, is good. People are falling on tough times all over the neighborhood, and it’s not just the blue collar workers that you stereotypically think of. I’ve had many clients in Sheepshead Bay come to me to file bankruptcy who earn six figures and who had considerable assets. So if anyone wants to question my motive in this, that’s fine and thats your prerogative. But I’ll go further in hopes that you realize I am saying this not out of some desire for business, but because facts are facts no matter how you cut it.

If someone doesn’t want to file for bankruptcy for whatever reason (considerable assets, emotional feelings, etc.), that’s fine. But I would rather have that individual negotiate directly with their creditors than ever deal with a company involved in debt settlement. In fact, I would be more than willing to sit down with anyone at all, client or not, and prove that debt settlement is a complete and utter waste of time and resources.

The facts: debt settlement companies typically charge 10 to 15 percent of your credit card balance up front to get “started.” So let’s say you’re the average person who has $30,000 in credit card debt (remember they include interest and late fees to calculate the fee, not just principal.) Get ready to fork over up to $4,500 just to get the ball rolling. What’s next? Your monthly maintenance fee of $100 or so. What’s that for? I have absolutely no idea whatsoever. None. I don’t know what accounts they’re referring to or what they’re maintaining. In any case you’re now paying about $6,000 in your first year just to get started. So for someone who makes, say, $60,000 a year, you just forked over 10 percent of your annual GROSS income to get started and you haven’t even gotten rid of one debt yet.

So now you signed up (and by the way you’ll likely sign a contract when you do), what’s next? Well, and this is the absolute absurdity of it, you do nothing. Thats right, nothing. You stop paying all of your credit cards and you start putting this money aside in a segregated bank account. And when the debt settlement company decides, based on what they claim is “experience with the creditor” that you’re ripe to settle, they make a settle offer. What happens if the creditor doesn’t accept? Beats me. The debt settlement company will say that you just have to save more. So you’re saving more in this segregated account (and now you’re paying more in maintenance fees). And, by the way, what of your four or five other credit card accounts that are delinquent? Those are waiting in the wings for you to save more money after figuring out what the first creditor would settle for and after continuously paying account maintenance fees to the debt settlement company. But do they wait calmly and patiently? No, they harrass you all day with phone calls to your house, work, neighbors, etc. Can the debt settlement company stop them? Nope. And then after about 90 days or so they sell or assign the debt to a law firm like Mel S. Harris & Associates, Rubin & Rothman, Pressler and Pressler, and a few others. Then those lawyers sue you. Does the debt settlement company represent you in the suit? Well no, but for some additional money they can hire an attorney for you. And what happens if you can’t afford an attorney? The creditor gets a judgment and can freeze your bank account or garnish your wages. And if you can afford an attorney but cannot afford to settle based on the amounts they’re requesting? The exact same judgment.

So now you have no money to pay creditor #1 back or to pay your account maintenance fees. You also can’t pay back any of the other creditors who have a judgment against you. And you’re now about $7,000 or so in the hole. This isn’t hyperbole or exaggeration. This is one of the absolute worst financial scams running rampant in communities, and it’s only growing larger. You see the ads on tv, and you hear them on the radio. They’re inundating everything and that gives you the false impression that what they do actually works, when it really almost never does.

If you do about 30 minutes of research on Google as to the best techniques to use when dealing with creditors, there will be absolutely no differentiation between the knowledge you have and the knowledge your debt “counselor” has. Your debt counselor was likely a receptionist or a sales executive a few years back. They don’t go to school for this. If you don’t want to file for bankruptcy that’s fine, but avoid these companies. If you had the money in the first place you wouldn’t be in this much debt. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to spend more for a service you can do on your own.

You’ll also hear about the so called “Not for Profits” out there. Fun fact: The IRS took on this issue in 2006 after receiving a myriad of complaints from people who used credit counseling services. The result? “To date, the audits of 41 organizations, representing more than 40 percent of the revenue in the industry, have been completed. All of the completed audits have resulted in revocation, proposed revocation or other termination of tax-exempt status.” ALL of the companies lost their status. As crazy as it sounds, score one for the IRS here. You know who else has caught on? The New York Attorney General. The moral of this ominous story is before you walk into any place in Sheepshead Bay that promises to reduce your debt by up to half, realize that there is something inherently wrong in the business model. You’ll save yourself a bunch of money in the process.

This does not constitute legal opinion, simply general advice.

Daniel Gershburg Esq., is a real estate and bankruptcy attorney with offices in Sheepshead Bay and Manhattan. The practice was specifically set up to change the way people view attorneys, by incorporating radical ideas like calling people back quickly, returning emails, giving clients ’round the clock access to their cases and charging low fees. For more information please visit Brooklyn Real Estate Attorney Daniel Gershburg’s website.

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  1. Best Debt Reliefon 17 Nov 2009 at 10:31 am

    Thanks for the read, will definitely point a few of my readers to your blog

  2. Local Brokeron 17 Nov 2009 at 11:07 am

    why do you call this a scam. is it illegal what they are doing? people sell a service sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt. you just took a whole industry and called it bullshit. you mention you dont know the people who run that office meanwhile you indirectly call them thieves and lowlifes that steal money. why dont you just write something without bashing people. like an advice column on things you actually know about. can we get some background on you. how old are you? how long have you been a practicing attorney? in my opinion its very rare for someone that becomes a lawyer or say a doctor who does it because they love to help people. maybe it used to be that way now when you walk into a docs office its not how are you feeling its what insurance do you have. lawyers its retainer or contingency. im sure that you had the opportunity to make say a million dollars a year running a debt settlement company you would do it ofcourse everything had to be legal but you wouldnt say no would you. your not a criminal attorney or do personal injury right your a real estate guy. your in it for money and the deal not saving lives. oh and i liked how you pointed out that you are not looking for business just doing people favors. ned you better stay out of this one lol.

  3. Lisanne!on 17 Nov 2009 at 11:38 am

    Sounds like a scam to me.

  4. Anonymouson 17 Nov 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Doesn’t the bankruptcy laws require hiring the services of one of these debt settlement companies, before you can file for bankruptcy?

  5. jenniferon 17 Nov 2009 at 9:27 pm

    Hi,
    I used ”Credit Solution” to settle my debt and avoid bankruptcy. They managed to reduce my debt up to 58% and improve my credit score. It’s legitimate . I came across this company on NBC News Special Edition. Check it out here:
    [LINKS REMOVED BY SHEEPSHEAD BITES WEBMASTER]

    Note:It’s advisable to fill out the short form.Let them call you back.The line is always busy due to so many customers.

  6. Lisanne!on 17 Nov 2009 at 9:49 pm

    The link has a bad reputation, according to WOT. It leads to a site called linksyngery.

    http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/click.linksynergy.com

    Put your cursor on the link and you will see where it leads.

    I think this is spam.

  7. Arthur Bon 17 Nov 2009 at 9:52 pm

    Jeez, do these companies have bots searching out websites that post negative stuff about them?

  8. Lisanne!on 17 Nov 2009 at 10:09 pm

    I think if certain words like “debt consolidation” come up they will put their ads on.

  9. Ned Berkeon 17 Nov 2009 at 10:35 pm

    You are correct. They look for keywords and then post a comment. It’s not unusual. I removed the link but left the company name… so I guess if someone wants to Google “Credit Solution” they may find the right site under 50 million other links.

  10. clareon 17 Nov 2009 at 11:41 pm

    Just because someone can do something does not mean it is being done ethically.
    Things are not the way they were thats why we are in this mess.
    Many business exist is Sheepshead Bay that have no scruples.
    Thanks for the heads up.
    P.S….A/S/L….LOL

  11. Local Brokeron 17 Nov 2009 at 11:54 pm

    you know whats shady is charging $3.15 for a freakin hot dog thats shady

  12. Lisanne!on 18 Nov 2009 at 12:03 am

    Clare, I’m terrible at acronyms. So what does A/S/L mean?

    Local Broker: Nathan’s is so small that they have to charge a lot.

    They hardly have enough seating there.

  13. San Deigo Bankruptcy Attorneyon 18 Nov 2009 at 2:39 am

    When you file for bankruptcy, you need to know right off the bat that there are going to be some complexities involved. There are going to be a giant quantity of things that you need to look after here, and there’s going to be no room for slacking. Filing for bankruptcy is a major thing, not just something you can fluff off and not fret about.

  14. clareon 18 Nov 2009 at 5:18 am

    Age, Sex,Location. I only know a handful from playing pogo.

  15. clareon 18 Nov 2009 at 5:21 am

    UUUUmmmmmm Nathans. And you can give me the one thats been on the grill longest. More that a subway fare. Gotta look for those coupons.

  16. Johnnyon 18 Nov 2009 at 5:48 am

    Your articles is very interesting.
    I am agree with you. Debt Settlement is really very helpful for those who have financially problem

  17. Arthur Bon 18 Nov 2009 at 6:56 am

    More spam!

  18. Arthur Bon 04 Dec 2009 at 7:31 am

    Oh sweet delicious fried spam with eggs!

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    This is my first time i visit here. I found so many entertaining stuff in your blog, especially its discussion. From the tons of comments on your articles, I guess I am not the only one having all the enjoyment here! Keep up the excellent work.

  20. Ned Berkeon 02 Feb 2010 at 3:26 am

    I love when the spammers come and actually forget to leave their spammy links. Fun fun!

  21. Thomasstarishon 24 Jun 2010 at 12:40 am

    I appreciate the concern which is been rose. The things need to be sorted out because it is about the individual but it can be with everyone.The initiative taken for the concern is very serious and need an attention of every one. This is the concern which exists in the society and needs to be eliminated from the society as soon as
    possible.
    =================================
    Settlement Debt

  22. Thomasstarishon 24 Jun 2010 at 4:40 am

    I appreciate the concern which is been rose. The things need to be sorted out because it is about the individual but it can be with everyone.The initiative taken for the concern is very serious and need an attention of every one. This is the concern which exists in the society and needs to be eliminated from the society as soon as
    possible.
    =================================
    Settlement Debt

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