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	<title>Comments on: Overheard: Sheepshead Bay for &#8220;Cool&#8221; Russians</title>
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		<title>By: Best of 2009: Sex, Violence, and Russians &#124; Sheepshead Bay News Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Best of 2009: Sex, Violence, and Russians &#124; Sheepshead Bay News Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 18:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Overheard: Sheepshead Bay for “Cool” Russians (August 25) &#8211; An overheard conversation on the subway sparked a debate between Sheepshead Bites&#8217; readers about the character of the neighborhood, and exactly what kind of Eastern Europeans Sheepshead Bay appeals to. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Overheard: Sheepshead Bay for “Cool” Russians (August 25) &#8211; An overheard conversation on the subway sparked a debate between Sheepshead Bites&#8217; readers about the character of the neighborhood, and exactly what kind of Eastern Europeans Sheepshead Bay appeals to. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur B</title>
		<link>http://www.sheepsheadbites.com/2009/08/overheard-sheepshead-bay-for-cool-russians/comment-page-1/#comment-3298</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheepshead isn&#039;t the only victim of street trash. So is Brighton.

When I was a kid I keenly remember following my parents to Brighton Beach to the various restaurants on any weeknight of the week. Back then families and groups would hang out and the establishments and outside them till 3 in the morning. I remember going outside and seeing the entire strip alive with life. People were walking laughing, smoking, talking and enjoying the Winter, Summer, Spring or Autumn Air.

That doesn&#039;t happen anymore, ever. By 1 am Brighton is a ghost town, even in summer and trash is everywhere. For both neighborhoods its a combination of many things. Business owners don&#039;t wash down and sweep up every day anymore. People just don&#039;t care. They&#039;ve fallen into apathy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheepshead isn&#8217;t the only victim of street trash. So is Brighton.</p>
<p>When I was a kid I keenly remember following my parents to Brighton Beach to the various restaurants on any weeknight of the week. Back then families and groups would hang out and the establishments and outside them till 3 in the morning. I remember going outside and seeing the entire strip alive with life. People were walking laughing, smoking, talking and enjoying the Winter, Summer, Spring or Autumn Air.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t happen anymore, ever. By 1 am Brighton is a ghost town, even in summer and trash is everywhere. For both neighborhoods its a combination of many things. Business owners don&#8217;t wash down and sweep up every day anymore. People just don&#8217;t care. They&#8217;ve fallen into apathy.</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, it&#039;s getting hot in here :) i too have lived in Sheepshead Bay for a good few years and can&#039;t help noticing it&#039;s gotten consierably dirtier, regardless of all the new condos :( which seem ridiculously overpriced, considering the condition of the neighborhood.
as to Sheepshead Bay versus Brighton Beach, though it&#039;s true about &quot;new&quot; and &quot;old&quot; immigrants, they are both still RUSSIAN russian neighborhoods, not americanized :) the longer i live here, the more appealing New Jersey gets... or maybe I&#039;m just not cool anymore :))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, it&#8217;s getting hot in here <img src='http://www.sheepsheadbites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  i too have lived in Sheepshead Bay for a good few years and can&#8217;t help noticing it&#8217;s gotten consierably dirtier, regardless of all the new condos <img src='http://www.sheepsheadbites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  which seem ridiculously overpriced, considering the condition of the neighborhood.<br />
as to Sheepshead Bay versus Brighton Beach, though it&#8217;s true about &#8220;new&#8221; and &#8220;old&#8221; immigrants, they are both still RUSSIAN russian neighborhoods, not americanized <img src='http://www.sheepsheadbites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  the longer i live here, the more appealing New Jersey gets&#8230; or maybe I&#8217;m just not cool anymore <img src='http://www.sheepsheadbites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 34, here since 1992 (came from the Ukraine - Kiev) and have seen Sheepshead Bay turn more and more &quot;Russian&quot;, with many more &quot;Russians&quot; settling here. Not just off the boat, but also moving here from other neighborhoods.
Lots of my friends who have established themselves here in the US have stayed in the neighborhood instead of moving to Manhattan, S.I. or NJ.
There are plenty of those who moved back (myself included).

It definitely seems like the younger Russians flock to the area, while Brighton Beach caters to more older Russian immigrants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 34, here since 1992 (came from the Ukraine &#8211; Kiev) and have seen Sheepshead Bay turn more and more &#8220;Russian&#8221;, with many more &#8220;Russians&#8221; settling here. Not just off the boat, but also moving here from other neighborhoods.<br />
Lots of my friends who have established themselves here in the US have stayed in the neighborhood instead of moving to Manhattan, S.I. or NJ.<br />
There are plenty of those who moved back (myself included).</p>
<p>It definitely seems like the younger Russians flock to the area, while Brighton Beach caters to more older Russian immigrants.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur B</title>
		<link>http://www.sheepsheadbites.com/2009/08/overheard-sheepshead-bay-for-cool-russians/comment-page-1/#comment-3079</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No decent places to eat?

Clemente&#039;s, Jordans, Omiya Sushi, Masakari Sushi, Mitoushi Sushi, Wheelers for Beers and Burgers, Delmar Pizza, Connies Pizza, Trio Pizza, Brennan and Carr, That fancy W place on X and Ocean that serves french food (I think its french, at least thats what the owner tells me). If you want to eat at a chain we&#039;ve got Applebees and Fridays, you want buffet? Seaport Buffet on Emmons is one of the better ones in Brooklyn.

Sheepshead had its share of crappy places to eat, but it has a treasure trove of awesome places too.

I don&#039;t know what yard stick you&#039;re measuring by but you need your head examined if you really think Sheepshead has no decent places to eat.

http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=&amp;ns=1&amp;rpp=10&amp;find_loc=Sheepshead+Bay%2C+Brooklyn+11235#find_desc=Food&amp;find_loc=11235&amp;places=NY%3ANew_York%3ABrooklyn%3ASheepshead_Bay&amp;rpp=30&amp;bbox=-73.9558410645%2C40.5792157084%2C-73.9299201965%2C40.5988999006&amp;sortby=most_reviewed&amp;cflt=gourmet%2Cfood%2Crestaurants%2Cchinese%2Cjapanese%2Crussian%2Csushi%2Cturkish

There you go. The top 30 places to eat in Sheepshead as rated by Yelp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No decent places to eat?</p>
<p>Clemente&#8217;s, Jordans, Omiya Sushi, Masakari Sushi, Mitoushi Sushi, Wheelers for Beers and Burgers, Delmar Pizza, Connies Pizza, Trio Pizza, Brennan and Carr, That fancy W place on X and Ocean that serves french food (I think its french, at least thats what the owner tells me). If you want to eat at a chain we&#8217;ve got Applebees and Fridays, you want buffet? Seaport Buffet on Emmons is one of the better ones in Brooklyn.</p>
<p>Sheepshead had its share of crappy places to eat, but it has a treasure trove of awesome places too.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what yard stick you&#8217;re measuring by but you need your head examined if you really think Sheepshead has no decent places to eat.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=&amp;ns=1&amp;rpp=10&amp;find_loc=Sheepshead+Bay%2C+Brooklyn+11235#find_desc=Food&amp;find_loc=11235&amp;places=NY%3ANew_York%3ABrooklyn%3ASheepshead_Bay&amp;rpp=30&amp;bbox=-73.9558410645%2C40.5792157084%2C-73.9299201965%2C40.5988999006&amp;sortby=most_reviewed&amp;cflt=gourmet%2Cfood%2Crestaurants%2Cchinese%2Cjapanese%2Crussian%2Csushi%2Cturkish" rel="nofollow">http://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=&amp;ns=1&amp;rpp=10&amp;find_loc=Sheepshead+Bay%2C+Brooklyn+11235#find_desc=Food&amp;find_loc=11235&amp;places=NY%3ANew_York%3ABrooklyn%3ASheepshead_Bay&amp;rpp=30&amp;bbox=-73.9558410645%2C40.5792157084%2C-73.9299201965%2C40.5988999006&amp;sortby=most_reviewed&amp;cflt=gourmet%2Cfood%2Crestaurants%2Cchinese%2Cjapanese%2Crussian%2Csushi%2Cturkish</a></p>
<p>There you go. The top 30 places to eat in Sheepshead as rated by Yelp.</p>
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		<title>By: fat cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>fat cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that SB has gotten quite dirty in the past few years.  Just look at the streets.  Business owners refuse to take responsibility and clean up their properties.  Just look at the crap that&#039;s in front of the Sylvan learning center on E.17th and Z.  And dog shit is everywhere.  This is the result of over building the area.  And there are no decent places to eat.  I think it&#039;s time for me to pack and leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that SB has gotten quite dirty in the past few years.  Just look at the streets.  Business owners refuse to take responsibility and clean up their properties.  Just look at the crap that&#8217;s in front of the Sylvan learning center on E.17th and Z.  And dog shit is everywhere.  This is the result of over building the area.  And there are no decent places to eat.  I think it&#8217;s time for me to pack and leave.</p>
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		<title>By: local broker</title>
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		<dc:creator>local broker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you dont have to wait till your lease is up you can leave now and no one will miss you that includes your landlord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you dont have to wait till your lease is up you can leave now and no one will miss you that includes your landlord.</p>
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		<title>By: KB</title>
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		<dc:creator>KB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw- i don&#039;t care about the ethnicity or who lives in sheepshead bay. it&#039;s a dirty area. period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw- i don&#8217;t care about the ethnicity or who lives in sheepshead bay. it&#8217;s a dirty area. period.</p>
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		<title>By: KB</title>
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		<dc:creator>KB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly? Sheepshead Bay is DISGUSTING. It&#039;s dirty and the people are rude beyond anything I have EVER encountered- and I&#039;m from Bay Ridge.
I cannot wait until my lease is up- PIGS live there. Trash all over the street at all times, people drive like maniacs- there is no consideration for anything or anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly? Sheepshead Bay is DISGUSTING. It&#8217;s dirty and the people are rude beyond anything I have EVER encountered- and I&#8217;m from Bay Ridge.<br />
I cannot wait until my lease is up- PIGS live there. Trash all over the street at all times, people drive like maniacs- there is no consideration for anything or anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisanne!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisanne!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 01:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, being totally honest, if it wasn&#039;t for developers none of us would be living here. It&#039;s no secret that I think that the current mode of tearing down an entire neighborhood of houses because they aren&#039;t large enough is a insult to those of us who have lived here for a significant period of time. I&#039;m old enough to remember the last round of overbuilding during the 1960s. Seemed as if they put a 6 story apartment house on every corner they could find, and then some. A number of people who moved in when these were built are still part of our community today. 

There&#039;s a web site that has aerial photos of Sheepshead Bay from the 1950s. Poke around their 1954 map that shows parts of Sheepshead Bay as incredibly undeveloped. Go down East 12th Street from Avenue W to Avenue X, then down East 13th going toward Shore Parkway. It&#039;s a world that doesn&#039;t exist here anymore.

http://www.historicaerials.com/Default.aspx

In the 1920s they built block after block of one and two family homes. The very houses that it pains me now to see bulldozed. But I&#039;m sure they too were not welcomed by those whose families had lived here for several generations or more.

There should be a balance between growth and continuity. A recommendation was made a few years ago to the City Council that a historicalness report be written before any house older than 80 years is demolished. Of course, that would make for much work for whatever agency is required to do the legwork. The report would be paid for by the developer. Unfortunately, the proposal never got out of the City Council committee that was considering it.

With the economy still not out of the woods I believe that the insane overbuilding will stop on its own. Unfortunately, much damage has been done already. Even a 1790 Dutch style house on Hubbard&#039;s Lane was demolished and replaced with condo units. Rumor had it that the Ryder Van Cleef house at 32 Village Road North was sold and slated to be demolished. The house dates from around 1840, and still was there last time I checked. Perhaps the deal fell through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, being totally honest, if it wasn&#8217;t for developers none of us would be living here. It&#8217;s no secret that I think that the current mode of tearing down an entire neighborhood of houses because they aren&#8217;t large enough is a insult to those of us who have lived here for a significant period of time. I&#8217;m old enough to remember the last round of overbuilding during the 1960s. Seemed as if they put a 6 story apartment house on every corner they could find, and then some. A number of people who moved in when these were built are still part of our community today. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a web site that has aerial photos of Sheepshead Bay from the 1950s. Poke around their 1954 map that shows parts of Sheepshead Bay as incredibly undeveloped. Go down East 12th Street from Avenue W to Avenue X, then down East 13th going toward Shore Parkway. It&#8217;s a world that doesn&#8217;t exist here anymore.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.historicaerials.com/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.historicaerials.com/Default.aspx</a></p>
<p>In the 1920s they built block after block of one and two family homes. The very houses that it pains me now to see bulldozed. But I&#8217;m sure they too were not welcomed by those whose families had lived here for several generations or more.</p>
<p>There should be a balance between growth and continuity. A recommendation was made a few years ago to the City Council that a historicalness report be written before any house older than 80 years is demolished. Of course, that would make for much work for whatever agency is required to do the legwork. The report would be paid for by the developer. Unfortunately, the proposal never got out of the City Council committee that was considering it.</p>
<p>With the economy still not out of the woods I believe that the insane overbuilding will stop on its own. Unfortunately, much damage has been done already. Even a 1790 Dutch style house on Hubbard&#8217;s Lane was demolished and replaced with condo units. Rumor had it that the Ryder Van Cleef house at 32 Village Road North was sold and slated to be demolished. The house dates from around 1840, and still was there last time I checked. Perhaps the deal fell through.</p>
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